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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2004, 02:38:00 PM »
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Which is why the Programs hide as much of what they do as possible *from* the outside world, isn't it?"


One must ask exactly who finds the need to post retaliatory comments for criticism of The Program.  For every dozen identical survivor stories about any one aspect, some Anon immediately shoots back, "...no, they didn't.  That isn't so.  You're lying."  There never is any direct repudiation of the damningly-similar stories.  Oh, except, "...thousands have been helped, and you just don't want to let that happen anymore."  

Someone here continues to state that mail is not censored, that parents wander in droves willy-nilly through these "schools", that confrontational group therapy by a bunch of screwed-up and isolated 16-yo's is beneficial for children "working on themselves", that families can indeed develop skills of parent-child interaction better 3000 miles away from their children and out of contact for months at a time, rather than at weekly counseling sessions at home.

Survivors talk about what happened to them.  Anonymous advocates simply say, "You're lying".  Who do you believe?
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2004, 02:58:00 PM »
:nworthy:

You are a wise woman spots.
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2004, 07:45:00 PM »
***First, who are you affiliated or in bed with that refers to Positive Impact? **

Spots, good question.  Seems to me that you are endorsing the same kind of program, so what's up?  I take it you've been to Positive Impact.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2004, 08:33:00 PM »
SPOTS WROTE: "A Program may be a Program, but perhaps Positive Impact has the staff, training, methodology to be a...well, positive impact."

Excuse me?  Where did you get this information?  From a brochure, from parents or kids that have been there?  I'm not saying it's a bad program, it's just that with all programs who do you believe?  You have chosen to somehow say positive things about Positive Impact, however, unless you've been there, who's right?  

What IS their methodology and what is the success rate?
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2004, 08:41:00 PM »
Do they take involuntary placements? Are they licensed as a lock-down? Do they isolate their students from the outside world?

Just basic stuff. Anybody know the answers?

Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time, and deliberately, rebel against anything that does not deserve rebelling against.

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2004, 08:49:00 PM »
http://bahiadekino.com/home.html

They talk about isolation isn't a good thing, however, the only parental involvement is twice monthly therapy sessions and in person therapy every 2-3 months.  What does it offer for parents other than that?  Are there support meetings, on line chatting, parent/student seminars or workshops, after care or follow up? At 4,800 a month I don't see where it would warrant that kind of tuition, especially in Mexico, that's about equivalent to $7000 here in the US.  The methodology isn't explained other than positive peer culture and experiental learning.  I don't get it, it seems to lack the pieces needed to create a long term difference.  

I'm open to learning what those that have been there can share.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2004, 09:22:00 PM »
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... sit01.html - Yep, a strong link to Craig Rogers!

http://www.aabacktobasics.org/New-Upcom ... vents.html


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http://www.rickross.com/reference/teenb ... oot28.html - Wonder who talked up Positive Impact in contrast to his articles on WWASPS.  Who's sleeping with whom?
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2004, 11:41:00 PM »
What do Karen Z, Craig Rogers, Sue Scheff, SPOTS, Cherish Wisdom and Tim Weiner have in common? :wstupid:
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2004, 12:41:00 AM »
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On 2004-04-27 20:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What do Karen Z, Craig Rogers, Sue Scheff, SPOTS, Cherish Wisdom and Tim Weiner have in common? :???:




I dunno...what?
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2004, 12:58:00 AM »
Just a gut feeling question here.  The original poster used the initials JCB.  The post just sounds like a "troll" named Jeff Berryman. Anyone know his middle initial?
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2004, 01:55:00 AM »
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On 2004-04-27 20:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What do Karen Z, Craig Rogers, Sue Scheff, SPOTS, Cherish Wisdom and Tim Weiner have in common? :wstupid: "


I don't know either, unless they are all card-carrying members of the mutual adoration society.

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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2004, 05:17:00 AM »
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A Program may be a Program, but perhaps Positive Impact has the staff, training, methodology to be a...well, positive impact.

Those of you who can only think in cultic black/white terms probably do not understand the word "perhaps".  It is the difference between a hypothesis and a ringing endorsement.  I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp but proposing this hypothesis (which BTW I would question) does not necessarily mean that spots is taking backhanders, in league with PURE and party to their dastardly plan to overthrow WWASP and take over the world.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2004, 07:57:00 AM »
Kiwi, whether you are privy to truth or not, they are all close associates.  They have all been working together to pull kids from WWASP programs all the while supporting placement in others.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2004, 09:44:00 AM »
CXarey - go crawl back under your rock.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2004, 10:04:00 AM »
Good Grief. While I don't agree with Spots hyposthesis that Positive impact MAY be okay (due to my belief that all programs using these techniques regardless of training, staffing, etc. are harmfull),  I don't see how this connects her in some conspiracy.

My reading of her prior posts have led me to believe she is a grandma of a program survivor that was harmed. She is reading and learning and evolving her opinions.

If she is a shill for Pure or anyone else, it has flown right over my head. As it stands, I find that assertion nonsensical.

What programs do you "support" if any, Spots?
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