Petition to close the abusive Provo Canyon School is gaining

[Nihilanthic]

:eek: theres a surprise... every hispanic I've met is quite catholic.

Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll  forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet

[Deborah]

Do you have a link to that data?

[Anonymous]

There was one girl at PCS with me, an African-American girl with lotsa crazy psych and social issues as well, from a ghetto in Philadelphia.
 
They just did not know what to do with her.  She reufsed to comply with their program.  Perhaps she was not able to comply with their program.  who knows.  She was constantly on the investment unit, working off infractions.  they realy had no idea why she wasn't responding to their form of therapy.  So, she stayed there for 2 or 3 years.  She would have better responded to a different mileau- perhap with a more diverse group of counselors, who would have insight into different socio-economic and regional groups of people.  

I'm saying, these Utah Mormons did not know what the hell to do with this girl.  The program was not effective for her; it never would be... So instead of trying to find treatment better suite for this girl, they just KEPT HER AT pcs FOR MANY YEARS.  THIS WAS A POOR CLINICAL DECISION, (ON THE PARTS OF THE THERAPISTS) TO KEEP HERE THERE.  

Also, there were girls there that didn't quite have all their marbles to begin with, know what I mean?  But PCS just kept them as long as possible, and tried to force them to asimilate into their program, which never really worked.  

Yes, that placed was messed up in sooooooooo many ways.  

write me anytime if you have any questions or require further information.

Megan Flynn
bandit1978@verizon.net

[cherish wisdom]

PCS is messed up in many ways.  They are just in this industry for the money - like so many others. It's just good business to keep kids as long as there is money coming in - from their parents, insurance, the state.  Once the money is gone - they will discharge faster than you can blink an eye. They'd care less.  

Information about the Hispanic Population of the Mormon Church can be found at
http://www.lds.org   -  I think.....

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark.  The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.  
--Plato

[spots]

On 2005-04-26 18:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Most Mormons are now Hispanic - nearly five million......"

If I remember correctly, there are now more Mormons in Venezuela than there are in Utah.

[Anonymous]

Church Growing in More than 160 Countries

?News of the Church,? Ensign, Jan. 2005, 76

In 2004, worldwide Church membership reached 12 million, the Church was ranked among the fastest-growing churches in the United States, and Mexico became the first nation outside of the U.S. to top one million members. Brazil is projected to surpass one million members during 2007.

Growth outside of the United States continues to surpass growth within the U.S. More than half of all Church members live outside the United States. Members of the Church are found in more than 160 countries and territories, speaking more than 178 languages.

The accompanying map shows membership distribution around the world.


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Countries with Highest Church Membership

  1. United States
 5,503,192
 
  2. Mexico*
 980,053
 
  3. Brazil
 866,988
 
  4. Chile
 530,739
 
  5. Philippines
 526,178
 
  6. Peru
 384,663
 
  7. Argentina
 330,349
 
  8. Guatemala
 192,207
 
  9. Canada
 166,442
 
10. Ecuador
 161,396
 
Based on 2003 year-end totals.
 
* Mexico surpassed the one million mark after these figures were compiled.
 

Countries with Highest Percentages of Church Membership*

  1. Tonga
 46.0
 (1 out of 2)
 
  2. Samoa
 34.0
 (1 out of 3)
 
  3. American Samoa
 19.1
 (1 out of 5)
 
  4. Kiribati
 10.0
 (1 out of 10)
 
  5. French Polynesia
 7.8
 (1 out of 13)
 
  6. Chile
 3.4
 (1 out of 30)
 
  7. Uruguay
 2.4
 (1 out of 42)
 
  8. New Zealand
 2.3
 (1 out of 43)
 
  9. Honduras
 1.6
 (1 out of 62)
 
10. Bolivia
 1.5
 (1 out of 64)
 
Based on 2003 year-end totals.
 
* Minimum 10,000 members. Four countries have higher percentages but fewer than 10,000 members: Niue (13.0), Marshall Islands (6.:cool:, Cook Islands (6.5), and Micronesia (3.2).
 

Languages Most Frequently Spoken by Church Members

  1. English
 5,828,000
 
  2. Spanish
 3,681,000
 
  3. Portuguese
 907,000
 
  4. Tagalog (Philippines)
 165,000
 
  5. Cebuano (Philippines)
 126,000
 
  6. Japanese
 117,000
 
  7. Ilokano (Philippines)
 109,000
 
  8. Samoan
 102,000
 
  9. Tongan
 76,000
 
10. Korean
 75,000
 
Estimates based on 2003 year-end data
 
From this - it doesn't look like one should judge that all Mormons are racist.

[Nihilanthic]

I'm hardly happy that mormonism, or any religion, is spreading, period.

The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918)

[Anonymous]

I guess about 5% of Americans feel the same way. So statistically in America there are more people who feel the way that you do than there are Mormons.  So more people in America are Agnostic than Mormon.

[Anonymous]

:rofl:  :rofl:  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Good.  These days, organized religion has proved to be very, very dangerous.  It breeds intolerance, spreads lies, threatens science and medicine.  Oh, it seems to incite threats against judges too.  
Megan

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I much prefer disorganized religion.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :lol:

Really.

T.

[Nihilanthic]

Any cult or religion is so much of a politically-correct fairy tale to make you feel better about yourself and your life. People want a meaning and purpose and a higher power to feel comfortable with.

Personally, I'm glad life (or anything for that matter) has NO INTRINSIC meaning. If it HAD a intrinsic meaning, we'd have to follow it. A robot has a purpose. A human does not - therefore we can pick what our purpose is. We have freedom in the meainginglessness of everything, because that in and of itself gives us the freedom to give things meaning.

Afterall, nothing would matter unless humans or some intelligent being was around to ruminate upon it, would it? No.

Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author

[Invertix]

Interesting concept Nihilanthic I hadn't quite heard it put that way before.  Freedom of purpose, from no purpose at all. ::read::

[Anonymous]

17 years after being released from Provo Canyon School, I still occasionally wake up with night sweats and panic attacks that I began suffering after my experiences at the school.  From 9 DAYS WITH 2 SHOWERS IN ISOLATION FOR A FAULTY URINE SAMPLE (My parents were told that I admitted to purchasing pot on a ski lift while on a visit, even though I was CROSS-COUNTRY SKIING with my father in full view!) to Dr. Gwilliam verbally attacking me when my brother and father arrived for a visit to the point my brother said "I am not going to sit hear and listen to you bash my sister."  I had no warning that "Dr." Gwilliam would turn on me.  

 

Both my brother and father were concerned that I was on so many medications that my hands shook and my speech was slurred.  Dr. Gwilliam indicated that I needed to be highly medicated to keep me from being violent - even though I had no history at the school of violence, only depression which I was punished for (not adjusting well on the reports – so no privileges).  When I had complained to the medical doctor, he only upped my dosage.  I was forced to take extremely large doses of medication but was punished for wanting to know what I was taking and wanting off.  Considering the issues the FDA is now reporting in such medications as Xanax and other MOI’s and SSR’s, I consider it gross negligence that my concerns were brushed aside as being trivial.

 

After working steadily for the hotel and school cleaning, to receive a check for only $70 after one year was an outrage. I was told that money had been taken out for outings and personal items, however my mother was paying bills for those same things.  She was also being charged quite a bit of money for items that she herself had bought me.  No one goes through 2 boxes of tampons a month if there is not a serious medical problem.  

 

And in the end was anything accomplished other than my mother being bilked out of her money?  No - because they never addressed any of the issues that had resulted in the total breakdown of my relationship with my parents.  No family counseling.  I carried the anger with me for another 12 years after leaving before making any changes on my own.  I even called to have my medical and psychological records sent to another counselor.  After 1 year, all Dr. Gwilliam had wrote fit onto less than 7 sheets.  Nice intensive counseling.  And after Dr. Gwilliam’s turning on me I did not trust him to tell him anything – just continued to keep it buried as I had before everything came crashing down.   No therapeutic, rape trauma, eating disorder or drug abuse counseling provided.  No program to help me develop positive and healthy ways to deal with problems.  Just intimidated into proper behavior and told that I was the problem over and over and over.  Let it be known that after my experience at Provo Canyon School, not only did I immediately revert to my prior self-destructive behavior with a vengeance, but I also began to suffer severe and debilitating panic / anxiety attacks not experienced prior to my admission.

 

Oh yes - and their "education" was so great that many of the classes taken at PCS had to be retaken at my next high school even though I had passed the classes.  I had to retake Algebra II with Trig (same book) because PCS lumped it under "Algebra".

[cherish wisdom]

I've heard other horror stories about this same therapist. I wonder if this therapist is still there.  Some have been around for a long time.

If we had been born in Constantinople, then most of us would have said: "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet." If our parents had lived on the banks of the Ganges, we would have been worshipers of Siva, longing for the heaven of Nirvana.
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