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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2004, 11:12:00 AM »
I have seen too many so-called "professional parents" place their kids in abusive bm facilities to believe they don't know the inherent risk.  PCS is a lock-down psych facility with a checkered past. If the parent didn't know, they should have known.  Especially a parent who works in the "medical" industry.
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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2004, 12:16:00 PM »
Unfortunately, most people don't know about the abuses in this industry. Most medical professionals work with the public in the acute care setting where patients are treated with compassion and kindness. I obtained my degree in Utah and did clinical work at Utah State Hospital and American Fork Training School. Provo Canyon School was in existence then - and I never once heard about it.  I never saw human take downs and forced druggings.  I've worked with the elderly in gero-psych - and again these folks are treated with extreme kindness and compassion.  I have never laughed at another's pain.  "Do No Harm" is the medical motto.  This does not apply in the problem teen industry.  
As an American one has an expectation that State and Federal laws will protect them and their families.  It's also expected that all medical facilities will respect the inherent human and Constitutional rights of their patients.  Provo Canyon School is listed as a hospital on the Utah dot Gov official site.  As a medical professional I expected the staff to treat children with the same dignity that I and others in our profession treat patients.  This did not occur.  Instead my child was injured, humiliated, isolated and drugged against her refusal.  No one notified us of what was occuring to her.  Had they we would have immediately called the police and asked them to put her into protective custody until we arrived on the next plane to Salt Lake City.  Most parents are not aware of what goes on.  Due to a lack of communication these kids have no way out.  That is why so many attempt to escape, often with tragic outcomes.  
The authorities must given the children a WAY OUT if they feel their rights are being violated. I'd like those who support these types of programs to understand what it is like to punished in an observation room.  To do this - put a sweat suit on with no shoes.  Go into your garage and sit on the concrete floor for five hours. During this time you can get up for two five minute intervals to use the restroom and stretch.  Make sure that the temperature is between 50 and 60 degrees.  Stare at the wall, do not look at anyone or talk to anyone.  
Of course none of you are going to subject yourselves to this - yet this is what children at Provo Canyon School and other problem teen programs endure day in and day out.  Some are kept in obs for days.  Jay Kay, of Tranquility once bragged to a reported that the longest a child had been "on their face" in the concrete observation room was for 18 MONTHS.  How can anyone in thier right mind think that this type of treatment is any way therapeutic.  
I've talked to many people about this - the only one that knew something about it was a doctor who specializes in adolescent medicine.
This is why I am trying to inform people about the horrors that exist in this industry. Yes, I made a mistake.  Did I take my child to Provo Canyon by escort in handcuffs - absolutely not.  It is what she wanted to do to escape the aftermath of a violent sexual assault. Instead of being treated with kindness, sympathy and respect - the staff blamed her for getting herself raped and treated her with more abuse than one can immagine.  Provo Canyon must be closed - they are potentially abusing or otherwise terrorizing more than 300 children per day.  All of the facilities in Utah must be better regulated and the children must be given more access to the outside world.  
All of this abuse would end if these facilities allowed visitors for one hour per day and installed pay phones for student use - with toll free access to report any abuse they were witnessing or experiencing.
The authorities are as much to blame as the facilities - they turn a blind eye to most reports of abuse and violations of law - until someone dies - then they may do something.  How many more must die?  

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« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2004, 12:18:00 PM »
Cherish, among the people you have spoken to, would that include anyone from the PURE organization?  Just curious ...
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« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2004, 12:36:00 PM »
Cherish, do you honestly expect people to believe that someone who works in the med profession is not aware of the high potential for abuse in residential treatment centers, psych hospitals, bm facilities, NURSING HOMES, etc?  Come on, if this is going to be your excuse for abuse, fine, but I personally am not buying it.  Your argument is legitimate, but your insistence that the wool was pulled over your eyes is lame.  The more restrictive and custodial the facility, the higher the potential for abuse.  That is COMMON SENSE 101 ....

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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2004, 12:48:00 PM »
By Cherish's reasoning .... one might expect that prisoners are treated humanely and justly by the correctional/penal system too.  After all, these are professionals and they have a duty and an obligation to provide quality care for their population of convicted felons.  

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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
And of course, the safest programs of all are the ones who use JESUS to define their S.O.P.'s (standard operating procedures), right Cherish?
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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2004, 02:41:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-27 23:46:00, cherish wisdom wrote:



"Do I say that it's for everybody in the world?"



Gilcrease said. "No, but I don't think everybody in the world needs a psychological examination, either.

Then...

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"If we could expose all of our children to this environment, there truly would be peace on earth," Marsha Mandrussow Gallagher, whose son, Collin, lived at Spring Creek Lodge part of last year, said in Teen Help promotional material.


Well.... which is it???

(BTW, Art Barker and Straight, Inc. did the same doublespeak. Depending on the context of the question and the audience in attendance, the Program was either a last resort for the truely desperate or it was the magic slave to cure all of mankinds ills.)

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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2004, 02:44:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-28 07:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm no program supporter, in fact, I think the whole industry should be given a huge enema to flush out the toxic programs. This person, Cherish Wisdom claims to be a medical professional but locks her kid up in an abusive psych hospital?  Bullshit!  Sounds just like the reformed anti-WWASPS pro-PURE mantra to me. "


Cherish, this person probably is Carey Bock.  She's not a program supporter, but twists every statement on the planet into an anti-PURE thing.  She used to post under her own name, but things got pretty nasty when she took money from WWASPS for selling private emails to their lawyers.  She's got a vendetta against PURE that guides her whole life, and it's hard to carry on a conversation about abusive behavior modification facilities.  Think, debating at a lunch table about President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, and having someone run around in the background, singing "la-la-la, the Pentagon pays $600 for toilet seats".  Totally off the wall. It's like fighting a marshmallow in a paper bag.  There's nothing there to hit...so we'd suggest you just bypass it.  

BTW, it is really obvious that you, as a medical professional, did not lock your kid up in an abusive psych hospital.  You enrolled her in a facility which presented a picture you believed, not hard to do when you and the rest of the world don't expect anything as truly evil as these secret programs are.  Please continue your rampant speaking out.  Judging from the raw nerve you have touched in some Anons, it's working!
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« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2004, 02:56:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-28 09:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Cherish, do you honestly expect people to believe that someone who works in the med profession is not aware of the high potential for abuse in residential treatment centers, psych hospitals, bm facilities, NURSING HOMES, etc?  Come on, if this is going to be your excuse for abuse, fine, but I personally am not buying it.  Your argument is legitimate, but your insistence that the wool was pulled over your eyes is lame.  The more restrictive and custodial the facility, the higher the potential for abuse.  That is COMMON SENSE 101 ....



 :silly: "



Just for comparison, try telling a police officer that another police officer beat hell out of you for no good reason. Do you think they'll believe you and investigate? Nope! Either they know this sort of thing goes on and they approve or they've never seen it themselves so they don't believe it's possible.

Same thing goes in the medical profession. When my youngest was born, I spent the entire time trying to prove to my doctor that I really didn't need the first c-section and didn't need one that time either. It wasn't until immediately after her birth (which went quickly and w/o any trouble or drugs) that he finally conceded that I, the mere layman patient, might be right. He would never even think of performing a c-section w/o a good medical reason and didn't believe that other doctors would.

Just look around at some of the advertising these programs put out. They promise all kinds of nice things and activities. Any discussion about the reality of what goes on is either condemned as manipulation or kept strictly secret.

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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2004, 02:57:00 PM »
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"No, you aren't associated with PURE (I think you are) or No, you can't or won't post legal documents showing your allegations as proven?"


Please tell me exactly why you think Cherish Wisdom is affiliated w/ PURE. You must have some reason to believe it. Please share?

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« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2004, 03:06:00 PM »
These sissy WWasp anon supporters see PURE behind every  post negative to a wwasp facility. I have proof of the faliciousness of that train of thought.

So here it is, Wwasp assholes. Fuck you and fuck Pure. You both are like minded groups of delusional shitty parents in my opinion.


And Cherish Wisdom, who admitedly made a mistake by placing her kid in an abusive facility, and now intends on atoning for her mistake, I would just like to say the world needs more people like you. Keep up the good fight.
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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2004, 03:13:00 PM »
Ok, I have to give away a little info here. The most persistant anon making the laughable claim that all criticism of WWASP owes back to PURE (or, alternately, is old news if it's dated prior to PURE's incorporation) is not Carey. It's somebody else out of Phoenix, AZ.

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...so we'd suggest you just bypass it.


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« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2004, 02:25:00 AM »
Interesting.  However, Antigen, I see that the PURE website speaks for itself.  It says NOTHING about the schools they refer to.  It's 99% about the "horrors" :razz: of WWASPS.  

I agree, and have seen the news articles, however, until PURE came to be, they were few and far between.  Now there's a network of people associated with them that are contacting newspapers, t.v., local schools, politicians, you know the drill.  

They're like the boy that cried wolf.  They will get blamed for what is said here, because they've done it so frequently. After what they've done in the past, who can really distinguish?  

There are some folks on this board that know what I mean, but are so full of hate, they can't see the forest for the trees.  It's hard to believe this one woman show has so much power and influence over others as some kind of savior.
What would she be if they all quit being followers and she was left all alone?
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« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2004, 12:22:00 PM »
Ok, but why and how do you think Cherish Wisdom is affiliated w/ PURE and who comprises the "we" to which you make reference in your prior post?

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« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2004, 12:27:00 PM »
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I agree, and have seen the news articles, however, until PURE came to be, they were few and far between. Now there's a network of people associated with them that are contacting newspapers, t.v., local schools, politicians, you know the drill.


This also answers why they tell the same stories.  They tell what they have been told. This is what has hurt those who may have a valid case of abuse.
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