?Well I was a misbehaver lol!?
I?m sure you were. In fact, most clients ?misbehaved? at one point or another during their stay in the program. That you identify yourself as a misbehaver I am assuming that you never complied with the program and didn?t graduate. Am I correct in my assumptions? If so, how long were you in the program and what were the circumstances of your departure?
?But anyway I didn't do it to annoy people I didn't (did it?) because I am not one who likes to follow bullshit rules and hang around in a warehouse.?
Quite understandable that you found the numerous rules, many of which were impossible to fully comply with, to your dislike. I imagine that there would be very few individuals that craved the rules, and I have had no exposure to anyone with feelings of fondness as they look back upon those rules.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but again, I am working from an assumption that you never complied with the program. Most individuals that went through the Straight program have a very different opinion than the one you presented. Time spent in the building was usually not thought of as a time to ?hang out?, and, if you were ever in Straight, to be able to think of that time in such as way is a very fortunate occurrence for you. Most look back upon time spent in the building with varying levels of anxiety, anger, and remorse.
I am curious as to why you felt the need to try and apply yourself to my comment, then create an exception for yourself. Let me restate my words and perhaps offer a bit more clarification. ?Of course many of them are likely to be the type of prior misbehavers with nothing better to do then agitate and disrupt, just like many of those that craved the attention in Straight, no matter how humiliating, degrading, and abusive it was.? I said ?type?. Most of the misbehavers I witnessed in Straight were rebelling. Those misbehavers, if not fortunate enough to escape the program, all eventually complied. They had to. Those that haven?t are still probably locked away in some second or third generation Straight program. The ?type? of misbehaver that I was referring to was the type that derived pleasure from their actions of defiance and the resulting consequences. I can recall several of these instances quite well. These misbehavers never complied with the program and were eventually withdrawn when their parents ran out of money.
This brings me to a type of dilemma that I have held for quite some time. During my stay I tried to be as considerate as possible to those under my care. Obviously there were certain rules that dictated the extent of that consideration, (ie: I couldn?t allow them to use the bathroom in privacy as we had to ?be aware? of them.) but I did what I could. If they didn?t want to write MIs they didn?t have to. If they didn?t want to talk to me, they didn?t have to. If I thought they were lying to me, I didn?t press the issue. Even a few newcomers that I lost my temper with, who I later apologized to, stated in an almost shocked way that I had nothing to apologize for, that I was the ?nicest? oldcomer they had (scary thought). Here?s the dilemma: There were a couple of newcomers that purposely agitated and annoyed anyone that they came in contact with. At the time I attended the facility, the administration had begun discouraging the use of restraints in host homes (I assume because they had a lawsuit against them for that very matter). I of course tried to comply with this, although many other oldcomers did not and received no form of punishment for their failure to comply. These newcomers would provoke other oldcomers and me to restrain them. For example take the following hypothetical situation:
Newcommer:
Oldcommer: Come on now, you can?t sing that.
Newcommer: Fuck off!
Oldcommer: Now you know I can?t let you do that. You can?t say that either.
Newcommer: I don?t give a shit
Oldcommer: Can?t we get through at least one night without all this? I?ve got so much stuff I?ve got to do and I want to try and get to bed by at least 1:00am tonight.
(Newcomer?s defiant behavior continues to increase in intensity, then newcomer begins to cause destruction to the property of the host home, threatens the oldcomers, or just plain pushes one too far.)
Again, these are rare cases and there were only a couple of newcomers that were entrusted to my care that acted in this way. Straight was abusive and it abused many people. Is what these exceptions experienced also abuse? They seemed to enjoy it and would even laugh about it. Was it consensual in a way? After all, they fully knew what consequences their actions would bring, they only had to have memory retention of the past 24 hours to understand. Also, am I an abuser for having no choice but to assist in restraining them?
So another question for you: Do you believe you were abused in the program?
?Anyway, researchers still can go to Wes's site.?
That?s true, but does that mean this site should not be accurate and factual?
?I really don't think that this has ruined Straights cause.?
Nor do I. It sure doesn?t help though.
?Plus perhaps researchers looking upon the truly disturbed adults we can act like sometimes they will perhaps take the theory that Straight was not so good for us more seriously.?
Perhaps, but I sincerely doubt it. I doubt that you actually believe that either.
?If we were all sitting about discussing quatum (quantum?) physics then they might be like "well then that program did them wonders and if this is ACO Chis no one gives a fuck about " does anyone remember the blue chairs" does anyone remember blah blah blah just shoot me! you would bore a deaf and blind person?
I do not wish to discuss quantum physics with you, especially that you do not even know enough about it to spell it correctly. Let me draw your attention to what this board is for. The terms of use state the following: ?This forum is offered as a resource to facilitate the sharing of information and viewpoints related to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to coordinate and network efforts relating to them.? If you have not noticed, the topic of this forum is ?Straight Inc. Survivors?. So if you don?t want to talk about blue chairs or talk about Straight this is the wrong place to be. As for boring a deaf and blind person, I?m not sure how that has any bearing. If you were meaning to state that you are bored by the subject, you should examine why you would want to come to a forum devoted to a topic you find boring.
?obviously being in Straight was the highlight of your exsistance (existence?). and if its not sorry... ?
No, Straight was not a highlight of my existence. Nor do I think it was for most people. It was a significant part of my life nerveless. That place changed me, but not in the way they desired, and my goals in life are rooted in the experiences that I had during Straight. Perhaps the thinking of popular culture can be reformed and the tyrants responsible for the abuse will one day face justice.
Is that important to you that those responsible for Straight face justice?
?remember I'm just a misbehaver I don't know how to act?
I think you make that abundantly clear.
?Do you know if Alice Rollins or Ruthie are available for kinky sessions in a motel room near the airport??
I do not know either of these individuals nor do I see how this knowledge would add any value to this topic.
Antigen, I?m quite impressed that you picked up on my usage of straw man as a reference to the fallacy that you linked to. I liked their concise description of a straw man fallacy. I also found the material on the site interesting and informative. The holocaust of the Jews during World War II is tragic and I have always been interested in the subject. Though I don?t claim Straight was anywhere nearly severe as Nazi concentration and execution camps, there are many similarities between us survivors. It?s appalling to have found out that Straight officials have the audacity to sit on the board of the holocaust museum in Florida.
?Jesus Morli get a fucking life already...tell that husband to get your sorry ass a car.. Oooh you lost your liscence (license?)... So you just sit home and post on message boards, smoke dope and send Porn pics to everyone...nice?
Strange you would think me to be some individual Morli with no evidence to conclude such an assumption.
I assume you are referring to a drivers license? If so, mine is current and unrestricted, though I fail to see the relevancy of this to the topic at hand. What I do with my spare time, though your characterization of it is incorrect, also would shed no additional light on this subject.
?Everyday I pray that you commit suicide..?
Does the fact that God never answers your prayer make you doubt the existence of God?
?And again? Relevancy please?
?When Jesus said to pray for your enemies, that isn't what He meant.?
Accurate statement to be sure. Please don?t warp this into a religious debate however.
?Now that's just fucking gross.......I think I'd rather see Tubgirl!?
Irrelevant
?I think you all just need to smoke The Best Pot In The World?
Irrelevant
In summation, thank you for proving my point exactly.
