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« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2004, 02:17:00 PM »
//Karen I have some ocean front property in Arizona, would you be interested in buying it? //
How much ya want for it?
I just might.
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2004, 03:16:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 08:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

Ginger, there are some things I do know, even tho I'm not there. I didn't go into the searchers b/c you want details I can't provide - but in general, I have a pretty good notion of how this is as well.


Karen, the way you were describing the place just about a week ago, they would never have need of anything like a search party. Apparently, you either didn't know or just neglected to mention that aspect of the Program while you were reassuring us all that "ALA is not a lock-down facility." Intentionally or not, you gave misleading information.

That's my concern w/ ALA. Not that all of the parents and staff are intentionally abusing children then intentionally covering up. That's not what happened at The Seed or Straight either. What happened then and what I fear is happening w/ ALA (among many other facilities) is that the people running the show are deluding themselves. They believe completely that what they're doing is good and right.

But what if you're wrong? What if you're just as wrong as the doctors who bled George Washington to death in an attempt to cure him of "bad blood".

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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2004, 03:26:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-11 17:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Let there be no mistake about it, straightening out wayward teens according to the gospel, is behavior modification.  



Should teens have the right to decide for themselves if they want to be "born again" (bold)before being committed by their parents into a faith-based school or program? Absolutely.  It's called freedom of religion.



Guess you know what I think of parents who shove christianity down the throats of their children all the while proclaiming what "good, responsible parents" they are.

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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2004, 03:55:00 PM »
Remember David Van Blarigan, the 16 year old boy who was taken by escorts to a behavior modification program in the Caribbean back in 1998?  Well, as I recall this was a teenager who had no criminal history and did not use drugs.  However, he reportedly did call his younger brother a "butthead", squirted his mom with a garden hose and refused to go to church, all of which apparently so "concerned" his christian fundamentalist parents that they felt he was in need of long term placement in a behavior modification program.

Are ya getting it, yet Karen?  Non-violent, drug free kids are just as likely to end up in a program as kids who smoke dope, have sex and steal their parents S.U.V.  Locked or unlocked, it makes no difference, nobody gets out until they learn to love the program (or JESUS).  

Just my opinion, but please, feel free to bring on the God Squad.

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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2004, 05:49:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 08:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Paige - yes its me.

I don't think my writtng style is different; the spelling may degrade at times, but the style remains the same. At least any difference isn't apparent to me, the author.



Ginger, there are some things I do know, even tho I'm not there. I didn't go into the searchers b/c you want details I can't provide - but in general, I have a pretty good notion of how this is as well.



I frequently talk with parents who have been there; and the parent visits often consist of spending the day in the house with their son or daughter; So, I do hear what the days are like and how the kids are doing from first hand accounts.



However, if you'd really rather I shut up and cease commenting, I will; but don't then hurl an accuasation of evasion at me; and don't ask me questions you don't want my input on. "


Karen, thanks for clearing up the identity thing.
One of the anons was very right on stating that the problem here is that her brother cannot communicate with her. This is true. There are other issues that will be addressed in court and have nothing to do with ALA. We were offered a round about way through one of the grndparents for J to email her. We have sent 2 emails and do not know if they were received or not. I don't see this as a good compromise. There has been plenty of time for her to email back it has been days. So, No, I don't see this as a way for J to communicate with her and it appears to just be another control tactic over the 2 kids. Again I will repeat that I do not need to communicate with her but her brother does. The judge "ain't" happy about this and asked about this place and why she could not talk to her brother? The answer was very simple. Her parents will not allow it and the facility sees it as a privilege that she has not earned yet. We shall go from here.


Hey, sorry about the spelling slur didn't mean any offense.
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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2004, 05:53:00 PM »
I have an identity question.  I thought I read somewhere back that Kaydee is Karen.  I don't really care, just curious.  Anyone?
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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2004, 06:12:00 PM »
From Ginger:
Karen, the way you were describing the place just about a week ago, they would never have need of anything like a search party. Apparently, you either didn't know or just neglected to mention that aspect of the Program while you were reassuring us all that "ALA is not a lock-down facility." Intentionally or not, you gave misleading information.


You are not being exactly fair. I mean consider the format here - I'm not trying to write a difinitive artical on ALA. Even if I wanted to, this wouldn't be the place for it. I mean, how would you like that - if I wrote out pages and pages trying to give every jot and dot of info I felt anyone might at some point wonder about?

They are not locked down the way some are. This is worth knowing. Some kids need a lock down for their safty. Others don't. If they don't need it, its better to avoid it, as Lock downs, even good ones, are by nature much more strict and controlling.

Not being lock down dosen't mean kids won't occassionaly take off. And BTW, you have a time or two exagerated how often kids have pulled a run away. Its not "all the time" or "constintly" as you have said I've said. I never said anything like that. I said it can and has happened. As far as I know - twice in the year its been open in Ajijic.

The idea of a search squad has really got your feathers ruffeled; and if your picturing in your mind a goon squad as you've stated, I can see why.

I am quite sure the search squad was a couple members of staff looking around town. Exactly which staff, I don't know. Did they knock on the neighbors doors and request their garden be checked for a couple gringo girls ; or did they just walk around the market? I don't know - butI am sure no body brought out the bloodhounds or called in the night hawks.

Let me ask again - would it really be better to do nothing? I don't think so.

Even tho it is a safe community and there really isn't much in the way of trouble for the girls to find - everyone is still very worried and wants them back safe and sound asap.

You seem troubled by he going over the wall while everyone was distracted by the car werck - It just seems like a couple girls grabing life by the tail, so to speak, and taking off b/c it seemed like a good idea at the moment. Poor impulse controll, and all that. I mean, its not like they had planned it - they just took advantage of the oppratunity to be goofy; have an adventure.

As to you concern and question: What if your wrong?
Let me be Jewish for a moment and ask you; what if they/we are? What do you think will be the consequence? Keeping in mind, this IS Not Straight Inc or anything like it.

Do you honestly think ALA can do more harm than the behavior that was interupted by placement?
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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2004, 06:13:00 PM »
This is KZ. I am not KayDee.
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2004, 06:15:00 PM »
//Hey, sorry about the spelling slur didn't mean any offense.//

Oh I am SO used to it :wink:
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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2004, 09:30:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 15:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

Do you honestly think ALA can do more harm than the behavior that was interupted by placement?


Karen, I honestly do believe it's possible. The biggest trouble here is the basic niche that these Programs fill. When kids reach a certain age and level of maturity, we can't just pick them up, kicking and screaming to prevent them from, say, running out in traffic. If an adult or nearly grown child acts in such a way as to require involuntary confinement, we have legal processes and medical standards by which we ensure that the person actually does need intervention against their will and that the intervention being used is the least restrictive available to ensure that person's safety or the safety of others.

It's my understanding that ALA admission requirements consist of a contract signed by a guardian and check that didn't bounce. Do I misunderstand that somehow? Is there some kind of diagnostic proceedure and review process? What is the appeal process for those kids who disagree w/ their parents' assesment?

Without some kind of external check, I fear that ALA could, indeed, be doing more harm than whatever it is the parents are trying to prevent the kids from doing.

Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize an undercover dictatorship. To restrict the art of healing to one class of men, and deny equal privilege to others, will be to constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic, and have no place in a Republic. The Constitution of this Republic should make special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom.
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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2004, 03:48:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 15:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
Do you honestly think ALA can do more harm than the behavior that was interupted by placement?



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In some cases a resounding - YES.
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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2004, 07:27:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 14:49:00, Paige wrote:

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On 2004-04-12 08:06:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Paige - yes its me.


I don't think my writtng style is different; the spelling may degrade at times, but the style remains the same. At least any difference isn't apparent to me, the author.





Ginger, there are some things I do know, even tho I'm not there. I didn't go into the searchers b/c you want details I can't provide - but in general, I have a pretty good notion of how this is as well.





I frequently talk with parents who have been there; and the parent visits often consist of spending the day in the house with their son or daughter; So, I do hear what the days are like and how the kids are doing from first hand accounts.





However, if you'd really rather I shut up and cease commenting, I will; but don't then hurl an accuasation of evasion at me; and don't ask me questions you don't want my input on. "




Karen, thanks for clearing up the identity thing.

One of the anons was very right on stating that the problem here is that her brother cannot communicate with her. This is true. There are other issues that will be addressed in court and have nothing to do with ALA. We were offered a round about way through one of the grndparents for J to email her. We have sent 2 emails and do not know if they were received or not. I don't see this as a good compromise. There has been plenty of time for her to email back it has been days. So, No, I don't see this as a way for J to communicate with her and it appears to just be another control tactic over the 2 kids. Again I will repeat that I do not need to communicate with her but her brother does. The judge "ain't" happy about this and asked about this place and why she could not talk to her brother? The answer was very simple. Her parents will not allow it and the facility sees it as a privilege that she has not earned yet. We shall go from here.





Hey, sorry about the spelling slur didn't mean any offense."



So what is the latest?  Last week you said that "next week" you would be filing papers.  Well, now is next week.  Are you ok?  This whole issue is certainly something to be concerned about.
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« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2004, 12:12:00 AM »
Can we stop the bible thumpers flooding now???? :roll:

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