Common threads

[Anonymous]

Hi Spots!
Thank you for the kudos and cheer up - I never said that! That was some anon taking a jab at me.
I don't recruit; never have; and I don't expect Nate to grown up an be a program director!
Altho, I hope he does pick a career that will enable him to work with kids, as I think he'd be very good. He has said he'd like to teach, and I hope he will. He's got the perfect personality for it; soon as he develops a little more maturity; which he will. He's still a kid.

As for my poor decisions; yes, I goofed up; but it has worked out well anyway (Thank You Lord)and I do think there are good programs that help kids get threw some tuff times.

I don't expect to change any minds here; I'm not trying to; but I do think I have a point of view as deserving of expression as anyone's.

I take my punches for being in the minority with out to much complaint :wink:

Hope your well. I have a little news that might be of interest if you'd care to write.

God's Peace -
KZ

[Anonymous]

An anon points out:
"Maybe God has, by sending Paige."

Maybe. . .
That is the beauty behind the petition; Thy will be done.
We may think we know and be very sure, and be very wrong.
This is why we are supposed to ask God's will be done.

[Anonymous]

"Should teens have the right to decide for themselves if they want to be "born again" (bold)before being committed by their parents into a faith-based school or program? Absolutely. It's called freedom of religion. "

Puking anon; these kids are Christian kids. They haven't abandoned their faith Just b/c they are having problems in their life.

No doubt many are at a point where they have questions and doubts; as this is a normal as breathing during the teen age years. Most can and will find answers to their doubts and remain Christian. Those who dicide they want to abandon their Faith can and will weather or not they attend a Christan School.  The freedom to believe it or not, is always there, no matter where they are.
But can you not see how it might figure that a Christan kid with a drug problem might find more help in a program were their Faith plays a role?
I, personally,have never seen any one overcome a drug problem apart from God. God is in the bussiness of change for the better; and so it makes sence to me - beliving as I do - that Jesus saves - that a good Christian program is very worthwhile for the Christian kid having problems.

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-11 07:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

No Ginger, it is not ALA keeping them apart. It is the unwise choices of the girl that landed her there in the first place. It is her continued unwise choices that make it necessary for her to stay there.

Last I heard on the topic of this girls' choices (that you deem to be unwise) was that she tried to run away from the place and ALA sent out a search team to prevent her. That's straight from Craig in a prayer request, unless you think someone else wrote that and signed his name. Do you think someone else wrote that prayer request and just signed his name to it?

Ginger, you have not been there. You have not seen with your own eyes. You have not spoken to the staff face to face. You have not witnessed the girls interaction one with another.

No kidding! Neither has her brother, her brother's mom, their grandparents or great grandparents. They can't even talk to her on the phone. That's what we're talking about, remember???

Repeating your mantra about how safe and well these kids are isn't doing anything for me. You may believe it, but I don't. What I know is that the girl acted on an apparently pretty strong intention to get away from the paradise you describe.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.

--Thomas Jefferson

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-11 09:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

 I haven't responded to your questios about the search party and all related, b/c I am not there and so can only guess.
...

God's Peace -

KZ

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Now, unless your going to claim that someone else forged this (and I don't think you would), can you please dispense with all the talking asif you know something?

You're not there. You don't know how the search parties are composed or how they function. You don't know if they're violent. You don't know if the kids get enough sleep, far less if they get any mental rest or privacy at all. You don't know these things so you can't say. So please quit pretending that you do, ok?

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
-- Anonymous

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-11 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:




Fortunately, God is the judge of hurting parents who feel desparate, not you."

He's also the judge of people who excerbate and take advantage of desperation for power and money. So I'd be careful tossing that one about. Won't you be red in the face if, upon Judgement Day, that one comes back on you!

That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.



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[Anonymous]

I haven't responded to your questios about the search party and all related, b/c I am not there and so can only guess.
...

God's Peace -

KZ

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Now, unless your going to claim that someone else forged this (and I don't think you would), can you please dispense with all the talking asif you know something?

Amen Sister!  Problem is Karen just doesn't get it.

[Paige]

Ginger, is KZ the same as Karen Burnett, Family Coordinator for ALA???

The writing styles are very different - one can spell. The verbage used is also very different.

If they are the same person I wonder why the styles are so different.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-11 17:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

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"Should teens have the right to decide for themselves if they want to be "born again" (bold)before being committed by their parents into a faith-based school or program? Absolutely. It's called freedom of religion. "



Puking anon; these kids are Christian kids. They haven't abandoned their faith Just b/c they are having problems in their life.



No doubt many are at a point where they have questions and doubts; as this is a normal as breathing during the teen age years. Most can and will find answers to their doubts and remain Christian. Those who dicide they want to abandon their Faith can and will weather or not they attend a Christan School.  The freedom to believe it or not, is always there, no matter where they are.

But can you not see how it might figure that a Christan kid with a drug problem might find more help in a program were their Faith plays a role?

I, personally,have never seen any one overcome a drug problem apart from God. God is in the bussiness of change for the better; and so it makes sence to me - beliving as I do - that Jesus saves - that a good Christian program is very worthwhile for the Christian kid having problems."

Karen, I don't care how many times you stand on your soapbox preaching (selling)"faith-based" schools as the way to salvation for "good kids who are making bad choices", it's still hogwash.

Have a blessed day spreading your gospel of ignorance and denial.

 :wave:

[Anonymous]

Karen Z Burnett must be in HEAVEN right now.  She's been aching to talk God and religion for a long time now and now she has her soapbox!  I remember when she was slamming Mormons on this board and others, but it went no where.  Nowshe has several threads to choose from.  

Her own thread on ALA produced little to ZERO takers.  What's up with that???

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-11 18:41:00, Paige wrote:

"Ginger, is KZ the same as Karen Burnett, Family Coordinator for ALA???



The writing styles are very different - one can spell. The verbage used is also very different.



If they are the same person I wonder why the styles are so different."

I can't say for sure, but I assume so because the same person who sometimes signs KZ also sometimes says they're Karen Burnett. But I can't really be 100% sure w/o compelling the ISP to fork over customer info. And I don't have a reason or intention to do that.

For something that has spread with all the forethought of kudzu, the Internet isn't half bad."
-- Newsweek, 2/27/95

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-11 18:16:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2004-04-11 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:






Fortunately, God is the judge of hurting parents who feel desparate, not you."

He's also the judge of people who excerbate and take advantage of desperation for power and money. So I'd be careful tossing that one about. Won't you be red in the face if, upon Judgement Day, that one comes back on you!

I agree!  I am not aware of anyone taking adavantage for power or money in this situation.

[Anonymous]

Paige - yes its me.
I don't think my writtng style is different; the spelling may degrade at times, but the style remains the same. At least any difference isn't apparent to me, the author.

Ginger, there are some things I do know, even tho I'm not there. I didn't go into the searchers b/c you want details I can't provide - but in general, I have a pretty good notion of how this is as well.

I frequently talk with parents who have been there; and the parent visits often consist of spending the day in the house with their son or daughter; So, I do hear what the days are like and how the kids are doing from first hand accounts.

However, if you'd really rather I shut up and cease commenting, I will; but don't then hurl an accuasation of evasion at me; and don't ask me questions you don't want my input on.

[Anonymous]

Ginger, there are some things I do know, even tho I'm not there. I didn't go into the searchers b/c you want details I can't provide - but in general, I have a pretty good notion of how this is as well.

I frequently talk with parents who have been there; and the parent visits often consist of spending the day in the house with their son or daughter; So, I do hear what the days are like and how the kids are doing from first hand accounts.

Karen I have some ocean front property in Arizona, would you be interested in buying it?  

Have you not heard great things about "other prgrams" in which parents who visited shared.  How did that turn out for you?  Why are you so convinced this one is different,given you are admitting you don't know?

[Anonymous]

Have you not heard great things about "other prgrams" in which parents who visited shared.  How did that turn out for you?  Why are you so convinced this one is different,given you are admitting you don't know?"
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I understand where your comimg from and was expecting the comment.
It is different.
In the other program, it is a planned and coordnated event; taking place for a spicific reason assocated with the program.
Even when it is a situation where a parent wants to visit and look around; it is as we say a dog and pony show. They only have contact with upper levels and in no way take part in the daily attivities. If the kid is in the program and on a lower level, they can't even actually visit with them. We've all seen accounts of the Mom or Dad viewing the teen threw a window. . .

At ALA, the family are in contact and comunication with their child, and the other kids as well. Its a home type situation. The visitors are allowed to sit in on activities and talk to who ever is around. Its like having company. And while indivigual families plan their visits; they can plan them anytime; as opposed to the gathering that takes place in some programs for seminairs and such.
Its a very different situation; and one that is far more likely to give a parent a true picture of how things are.