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The 9/11 Debate
RTP2003:
Look fool, prior to the invasion of Iraq, it was not a haven for Al-Qaeda or other Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations. Saddam Hussein saw them as a threat to his regime, and rightly so. Al-Qaeda and their ilk did not like secular governments like Hussein's, and they were not present in any great numbers in pre-war Iraq. That has all changed. George has gotten us involved in a fucked up situation where American soldiers are dying every day. Islamic terror groups have had a field day with the recruiting opportunities Bush has provided them.
I saw Ambassador Joseph Wilson (not a liberal Democrat by any stretch) speak on this topic and he brought up the following points:
1) Saddam did not possess WMDs--and if he had, he was far too much of a control freak to share them with Al-Qaed, who would just as soon have used them against him.
2) Iraq probably had the fewest number of Islamic terrorists of any country in the Mid-East. Now, they have the greatest number. Thanks, George.
3) If creating a democracy was our goal, why didn't we go after Saudi Arabia? The same could be aked re North Korea, a country that actually does possess WMDs. However, North Korea has no oil reserves. Hmmmmmm....
For you to think that the Iraq war was about anything but the oil and reconstruction revenues that Bush and his backers are going to reap from it, you are a fool. This is going to be a fucked up situation for years to come, and we are going to be paying for it with the lives of young American soldiers. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld have gotten us into the worst foreign debacle since Vietnam.[ This Message was edited by: RTP2003 on 2004-04-04 17:08 ]
kaydeejaded:
I agree the shit w/Iraq was little Bush Jr finishing his fathers mess if you think George Bush is not still our president your fooling yourself.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
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March 29, 2004
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Gangsters in the White House
There are gangsters in the White House.
Whenever the Bush Administration gets criticized, it responds like Tony Soprano, and Bush's capos put a hit out on whoever dares to question the don.
That's the way it was when Paul O'Neill, Bush's former Treasury Secretary, said Bush wanted to go to war against Iraq way before 9/ll. Within hours, the Bush goons were threatening O'Neill with prosecution for allegedly publicizing classified information.
That's the way it was when former ambassador Joseph Wilson went public with his account of how the Bush Administration played up the false story of uranium in Niger. Within days, the White House was outing Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA officer, with Karl Rove reportedly saying, "His wife's now fair game."
And that's the way it is today, with Bush surrogates unloading on Richard Clarke, the counterintelligence pro who has leveled two serious charges against the Administration.
First, that it was "lackadaisical" about Al Qaeda prior to 9/ll.
And second, that Bush's Iraq adventure has "greatly undermined the war on terrorism."
Rather than just debate the merits of these accusations, rather than have Condoleezza Rice testify in public before the Sept. 11 bipartisan commission, the Bush thugs have revved up the slime machine.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist slammed Clarke for being, in Frist's words, "consumed by the desire to dodge blame for the 9/11 attacks" and for "profiteering." But he didn't stop there. Frist went on to make very unsubtle threats about prosecuting Clarke for perjury, alleging that Clarke lied to Congress.
Then the White House began to blackball Clarke. "You're not going to make another dime in Washington again," said one White House staffer, Clarke told Tim Russert.
Hostile to the very essence of democracy, which is the freedom to dissent and to criticize our government, the Bush gang wants to rule by fear, intimidation, and goon squad tactics.
-- Matthew Rothschild
Bush makes me want to puke ::puke:: [ This Message was edited by: kaydeejaded on 2004-04-04 17:19 ]
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-04-04 17:07:00, RTP2003 wrote:
"Look fool, prior to the invasion of Iraq, it was not a haven for Al-Qaeda or other Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations. Saddam Hussein saw them as a threat to his regime, and rightly so. Al-Qaeda and their ilk did not like secular governments like Hussein's, and they were not present in any great numbers in pre-war Iraq. That has all changed. George has gotten us involved in a fucked up situation where American soldiers are dying every day. Islamic terror groups have had a field day with the recruiting opportunities Bush has provided them.
I saw Ambassador Joseph Wilson (not a liberal Democrat by any stretch) speak on this topic and he brought up the following points:
1) Saddam did not possess WMDs--and if he had, he was far too much of a control freak to share them with Al-Qaed, who would just as soon have used them against him.
2) Iraq probably had the fewest number of Islamic terrorists of any country in the Mid-East. Now, they have the greatest number. Thanks, George.
3) If creating a democracy was our goal, why didn't we go after Saudi Arabia? The same could be aked re North Korea, a country that actually does possess WMDs. However, North Korea has no oil reserves. Hmmmmmm....
For you to think that the Iraq war was about anything but the oil and reconstruction revenues that Bush and his backers are going to reap from it, you are a fool. This is going to be a fucked up situation for years to come, and we are going to be paying for it with the lives of young American soldiers. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld have gotten us into the worst foreign debacle since Vietnam.[ This Message was edited by: RTP2003 on 2004-04-04 17:08 ]"
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The situation in the world is too serious to politicize just so the liberals can get back into power.
Personally, what concerns me is North Korea: the world's largest prison camp and an economic basket case. What America must do to keep it from unleashing misery and destruction on a global scale is a daunting question.
Anonymous:
Dick Clarke, now there's an idiot. Lying bastard, too.
:flame:
kaydeejaded:
you raise a good point even though I am a liberal I don't support the policy of appeasement which is what Clinton did to North Korea which has long been the policy regarding this country.
Bush uses preemption with Iraq yet tries to negotiate with North Korea as if they were ration the only deterrence from nuclear war is going to be more money ie: appeasement which should have gone out with the Rhineland...didn't we learn from Hitler??? Or we need to take action the problem here is there is nothing worthwhile in North Korea. We pussyfooted around to long they now have nukes that can reach California and Bush is pulling the major bait and switch and had spread us so thin.
We are in Haiti, Afganistain, Irag......they are talking reinstating a modified draft for skilled craftsmen like machinests?? (I dunno won't be me I'm a girl thank you God I'M NOT THAT LIBERAL!)
North Korea is a real threat one that has not be dealt with they are not rational either and we have appeased them in the past all mistakes, all will come back to haunt us. Make no mistake being liberal doesn't mean hiding your head in the sand.
Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself - that is my doctrine.
--Thomas Paine
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