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« on: April 02, 2004, 02:34:00 PM »
heard that something may have happened about a week ago - anybody know anything??? Were the police called? kids or adults hurt??
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2004, 07:26:00 PM »
I have herd the same rumor.
Shame they deny access to the BBS to non supportive program parents. I'd very much like to see what is being said about this.
I have herd the police were called in; then that they weren't.
I have herd it was a riot; then that some farmer just got upset when he herd the boys playing a game.
All just rumors.
Hey Joe - how 'bout filling us in?
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2004, 07:44:00 PM »
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I have herd the same rumor.
Shame they deny access to the BBS to non supportive program parents. I'd very much like to see what is being said about this.
I have herd the police were called in; then that they weren't.
I have herd it was a riot; then that some farmer just got upset when he herd the boys playing a game.
All just rumors.
Hey Joe - how 'bout filling us in?


Karen, we really don't put much faith or value in anything you have to say.  You know why?  Because you are full of shit.  You don't know much about anything.  You have proven that.  If you think you give value to anything you support, well you don't.  Just ask Craig.

If you really want to help the "cause" or help to "sell a program", best thing you can do is not say a thing.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2004, 11:02:00 PM »
Why are you trying to make this about Karen?
This thread is about TB and a possible riot.
Now WHY would you want to change the subject?
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2004, 11:29:00 PM »
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Why are you trying to make this about Karen?
This thread is about TB and a possible riot.
Now WHY would you want to change the subject?


Why you ask.  Well it is because some of us are not interested in rumors.  Some of us prefer to have facts.  And let me add, if we have learned anything at all from Karen's posts on this forum it is that she knows alot about nothing.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2004, 12:29:00 AM »
Here's how I see it, Karen has not quite figured out yet that no program is a good program if kids are made to "work it" as a condition of helping families heal.  That is a crock.  Parents need to wake up to the reality that the teen help industry could not make a dime if it weren't for troubled parents.  Look at the statistics.  These programs are FULL of mostly white, middle-to-upper class kids whose parents can afford the hefty price tag attached to keeping their kids under lock and key while "adjusting" their attitude and behavior.  But it isn't the teens who need help, it's their parents.  These money-making programs know this as evident by the fact that nearly all of them now offer family coaching (e.g. LGAT Seminars) as part of the deal, or at a considerable discount.  It's a vicious circle.  The kid is doing the time while the parents work on their "emotional growth" for many months, even years.  Go figure.

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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2004, 01:22:00 AM »
The only sense this thread makes to me is that Karen is attempting to change the focus from ALA to any straw she can grasp.  There was NO riot, duh!!!  That IS a fact.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2004, 02:19:00 AM »
The really messed up part of it is that she seems to know that this is one of the mose interesting topics to the ppl most interested in straight answers to the questions about ALA.

We're all sincerely interested in what's going on down in Treasure Beach. Are you, Karen? Are you passing on rummors to deflect attention, knowing the consequences of crying wolf? Or are you just passing on what you've been told by that genius guru of yours, believing every word w/o question?

I hope there was an uprising at TB. But it seems very unlikely that such a thing would have escaped the notice of all of the media. Usually, they pick up on things like that. And if they don't, more's the missery for them when the revolution comes! But, right now, I'm thinking this is probably just a red herring.

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2004, 08:42:00 AM »
I also heard that something happened there last week. I also heard the police were called out there.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2004, 08:49:00 AM »
Yes, the police responded to a call from a local. The treasure police did not interview any of the boys. Only the boys were invovled. The police spoke with "management" who told them the "sports training got out of hand" story. Okay so if the police are called for a disturbence ,why wouldn't they interview the boys?  It seems one hand washes another in St. Elizabeth.
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2004, 08:50:00 AM »
I didn't put up the opening post. You know this Ginger, or can find out; so please don't accuse me of attempting to change the subject.
I happen to have herd the same rumor and thats all I was saying.

Some one says:
These money-making programs know this as evident by the fact that nearly all of them now offer family coaching (e.g. LGAT Seminars) as part of the deal, or at a considerable discount.

I can assure you I would stridently oppose any such program.

Some one says:
Some of us prefer to have facts.

I'm trying to gert you some:
"Hey Joe - how 'bout filling us in? "
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2004, 11:03:00 AM »
Karen (and anyone else who's interested) the best way to avoid your posts getting confused w/ those of other is to log in w/ a username.

Let me give you a little detail about what that will and will not do.

Let's say you pick the username "Mickey Mouse". No one would be able to post as Mickey Mouse but you because you'd be the only one w/ the password. Readers would be able to reference other posts by Mickey Mouse and know that they all came from the same person (unless, of course, you gave the password to someone else). That's all readers would be able to find out about you that they can't find out through your anon postings.

From my point of view, it doesn't matter much whether you log in or not. Some ppl hit the site through a proxy that is either shared by a lot of other users (such as the AOL proxies) or that is intended to protect your anonymity. I can't tell from here w/o using some form of threats or coercion who might own a particular proxy IP at any given time.

Now, if someone has enough incentive and/or legal standing, they could force me to divulge the logging data associated w/ any post(s). So far, I've never been forced to do this and, due to issue of jurisdiction and related matters, I honestly doubt that any law enforcement agency or civil court would value my logging data highly enough to go to the trouble of acquiring it.

That's a BIG "if" because I'm talking about things like criminal harassment, stalking, terroristic threats. Ya'll remember Nazi? I've heard and do believe that he's in some hot water legally over that rampage. A lot of his activities involved these fora. But I still haven't been contacted by any court or law enforcement agency requesting data. That's how far (at least!) you'd have to push it to expose yourself to any kind of reprecussions for posting here.

But, and I can't stress this enough, under that scenario, it wouldn't matter one wit whether you had posted anon or w/ a login. The data tying you to your words resides w/ your ISP and/or your proxy. That's who you have a contract with. Those are the only people who know for sure who contracted to use your IP at any given time.

Karen, I can't say for sure that the initial post wasn't yours. It's not that hard to acquire the use of an alternate IP address.

Bottom line is this. If you don't want readers to know who's talking, post anon. If you do want readers to have some idea who you are, then don't post anon.

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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2004, 12:08:00 PM »
So, what is the problem with requiring all posters to pick a log-in in order to participate in the discussion? They would still be anon if they use Mickey Mouse or Dumb Ass or Stupid Program Director.
It would clear up much of the confusion around which anon said what.[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2004-04-03 09:08 ]
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2004, 12:29:00 PM »
Because not everyone understands all that when they first decide to drop a comment. A lot of people who post reagularly to these fora would never have bothered if they had had to register first. I don't want to discourage ppl who might be a little frightened or who might have something important to say that they do not wish to be associated w/ whatever else they may have divulged about themselves under a registered username.

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
You know better than I, but how many people might that apply to? How many "one time" posts with valuable pearls of wisdom would be lost, if a few people didn't want to register? If they have something important to say, then it seems reasonable that they would be willing to take 60 seconds to register.

After contemplating this I wonder if requiring registration, even of a fictious name, wouldn't eliminate more of the riff-raff spam, than valuable contributions.[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2004-04-03 10:25 ]
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