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« on: March 29, 2004, 01:55:00 AM »
I have a 17 yr son who for years has been so incredibly angry about some problems he has  had since 3rd grade (OCD and Learning Differences).  He feels stupid and ashamed and shy, he blames everybody else rather than take responsibility for his behavior.  This last year he became bossy and tough.  He'd cut off his nose to spite his face.  Can't control his temper. 6' tall and can be scary.  Acts entitled. He had become verbally and physically abusive (scary) and was acting like a jerk to anybody that was"'authority'"  (parents, teachers, etc. I know that is teeenage boy stuff)  But it's been out of control.  Obviously very unhappy underneath it all.  He holds it together much better away from us, lets it fly w/us.  Bad for him and us.  He's doing well in the wilderness program.  But returning to his old life seeems certain he will fall back in old ways.  I don't want to put him in a therapeutic school...they scared me before I saw this forum,  now even more.  He wants to finish school.  Most regular boarding schools won't take him w/his past behavior and bad grades this year and his learning issues.  He wants a boarding school where he can still have a life but get help w/ his learning differences.  What would you all do if it was your kid?
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2004, 10:05:00 AM »
Don't let yourself feel guilty for trying to find help for your son, based on what you read here. Most of whats on this forum is the worst case scenario. You have probably learned enough to make a good judgment yourself, as to weather or not a situation will be abusive and neglectful. Use the knowledge you've gained and find your son an appropriate school an pay no mind to those who judge you for it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2004, 11:37:00 AM »
As you have already found out this is not the forum to find help.  However, there is help.  There is encouragement, and there is hope.  Hundreds of thousands of kids have gone through what your son is going through.  Most have made it through these turbulent teen years and have gone on to have successfull lives.  However, those on this forum are not among the successful.

My suggestion is that you contact a professional Educational Consultant.  The first question you should ask is, "do you do pro bono work?"  If they say yes, then you know that they will be there for you and not just for your money.  The second question to ask is, "Do you receive any reimbursement of any kind from schools?"  Hopefully, they will be honest.

All people should get paid for their labor.  Some educational consultants are only out for the money, but most have good intentions and are worth every penny you pay them.  They are experts, and they have done their home work. Most educational consultants are child advocates. They truly love children and want to see the best for them. They know the schools that are good and those who are not.  They will help you to have peace of mind.

Please, by all means do not listen to the hate mongers on this forum.  Their only purpose is to torment you and to bring forth dispair.  Dont let them win!  Seek God's grace and wisdom.  It is promised to those who seek it.  It will come.

THERE IS HOPE.  THERE ARE ANSWERS.  DONT GIVE IN, GET READY TO RECEIVE YOUR ANSWERS AND KEEP YOUR FAITH.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2004, 11:45:00 AM »
I've got some wisdom for you, fucker. *swings cleaver*  :grin:
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2004, 12:03:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-28 22:55:00, confused wrote:

 What would you all do if it was your kid?


Well, in the context of these forums, when you say "wilderness program", I'm assuming you mean one of those that takes kids against their will. The first thing I'd have done would have been to not send him off to one of those in the first place. The next thing would be to be very skeptical of anything they say about how he's doing or what to do next. When I was more-or-less in his shoes, I would say whatever I had to to avoid punishment. "Yes, Dad, I'm just so happy now! I can't wait till I graduate and go on to staff!" The truth was ... quite different, but I would have been punished severely for telling him.

Anyway, have you tried just getting off the kid's back? If he's 17, he's less than a year away from legal emancipation by default. If he has a hard time w/ authority, have you considered that the people in authority over him might be wrong sometimes or even quite often? If getting away from you seems to be the best thing for him, then let him go. If you must drop a bundle of money in order to feel right about it, just drop it in an account in his name, suggest a tour or Europe or buy him a small business to run or something.  

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2004, 12:36:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-28 22:55:00, confused wrote:

"I have a 17 yr son who for years has been so incredibly angry about some problems he has  had since 3rd grade (OCD and Learning Differences).  He feels stupid and ashamed and shy, he blames everybody else rather than take responsibility for his behavior.  This last year he became bossy and tough.  He'd cut off his nose to spite his face.  Can't control his temper. 6' tall and can be scary.  Acts entitled. He had become verbally and physically abusive (scary) and was acting like a jerk to anybody that was"'authority'"  (parents, teachers, etc. I know that is teeenage boy stuff)  But it's been out of control.  Obviously very unhappy underneath it all.  He holds it together much better away from us, lets it fly w/us.  Bad for him and us.  He's doing well in the wilderness program.  But returning to his old life seeems certain he will fall back in old ways.  I don't want to put him in a therapeutic school...they scared me before I saw this forum,  now even more.  He wants to finish school.  Most regular boarding schools won't take him w/his past behavior and bad grades this year and his learning issues.  He wants a boarding school where he can still have a life but get help w/ his learning differences.  What would you all do if it was your kid?

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Okay, now if he *wants* a boarding school, that's a whole different kettle of fish.

Visit a few, find one that is *not* lockdown, where you *can* visit him, and that actually has solid academics.  According to the adults who have been in TBS's as teens, many of these facilities have *very* substandard educational programs.

You want to check curricula, check their library to make sure it's well-stocked, check their science lab and computer equipment, check their supplies of textbooks and school supplies.  You also want to make sure their high school is actually accredited instead of "in the process" of pursuing accreditation.  You want to make sure that the tests administered to the students are real tests crafted by competent teachers in classrooms on site, and *not* canned multiple choice pap from the textbook publishers or from some mail-order company.

If you can't find or afford a boarding school that meets those standards, you'd be better off getting grandparents or other relatives to take him in while he attends his local public school system's alternative school/night school program.

The reason is that the local public high school (any local public high school) will have certified teachers who likely write their own tests, good library facilities, acceptable lab equipment, and adequate textbooks reviewed and approved by a state or county approval process.

They'll also probably have certified special ed teachers.  A *good* boarding school will also have those.  A *bad* boarding school won't.  If you can't find or afford a *good* boarding school, go for public school.

Oh, and I'm not generally a fan of public schools---it's just that, from the reports of adults who have been students at some of these TBS's, some of the TBS's are much weaker academically than your local public school's alternative school program is likely to be.

There's a huge difference between voluntary residential treatment of a patient/student who *wants* that, and involuntary residential treatment of a patient/student whose problems may not be sufficient that an objective and independent therapist would agree that he/she needs it.

Since your kid apparently *wants* residential treatment/boarding school education, try to find a *good* one.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2004, 12:43:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-28 22:55:00, confused wrote:


 What would you all do if it was your kid?




Well, in the context of these forums, when you say "wilderness program", I'm assuming you mean one of those that takes kids against their will. The first thing I'd have done would have been to not send him off to one of those in the first place. The next thing would be to be very skeptical of anything they say about how he's doing or what to do next. When I was more-or-less in his shoes, I would say whatever I had to to avoid punishment. "Yes, Dad, I'm just so happy now! I can't wait till I graduate and go on to staff!" The truth was ... quite different, but I would have been punished severely for telling him.



Anyway, have you tried just getting off the kid's back? If he's 17, he's less than a year away from legal emancipation by default. If he has a hard time w/ authority, have you considered that the people in authority over him might be wrong sometimes or even quite often? If getting away from you seems to be the best thing for him, then let him go. If you must drop a bundle of money in order to feel right about it, just drop it in an account in his name, suggest a tour or Europe or buy him a small business to run or something.  

We did not inherit this land from our ancestors, we borrow it form our children.


http://www.civilization.ca/aborig/haida/hapindxe.html' target='_new'>Haida


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Okay, Ginger has a good point in that what he says in the wilderness program about wanting to go to a boarding school may not really be what he wants but may be said to avoid punishment.  You should probably bring him home and lay out his options and, when he can tell you *without* fear of punishment, see what he wants to do.

In case he really does want a boarding school, look for a good one (no lockdown, accredited, you've actually personally *seen* their library and lab equipment and computers and textbooks, special ed professionals on staff and on site full-time), but have other options available too, in case when he gets home you find out he really didn't want a boarding school after all.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2004, 12:59:00 PM »
Oh, and another bit in response to "what would you do if it was your kid".

I have a relative who has a kid very much like yours, but a bit older.

What they ended up having to do was let their child go live with his grandparents.

Away from the stress of his own parents in adolescence, he didn't magically transform into a genius *without* a serious learning disability, but he *did* do better.

He eventually ended up moving in with his other parent and step-parent, but the flexibility of being able to live with whichever relatives he was coping with best did help him have more control over his own behavior.

He's never going to be magically "okay"---but he's as okay as he can be, for him.

I'm not sure, but I suspect he may be more disabled than your son is.  The poor guy has essentially no hope of ever passing his GED.  *Any* independence or functionality will be a victory.

There's a big difference between being the best and being *your* best.

His best is limited, but the way they're getting his best is with patience and flexibility.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2004, 01:06:00 PM »
Well, that's it.  I am not sending my child to any christian fundamentalist program that torments them into accepting Jesus as their savior.  Nor will I send my child into the wilderness for a $20,000 wake up call when it would be just as effective and considerably less expensive to take the entire family to some remote outpost where we can sit around the campfire and talk about our issues after a hard day of hiking through the badlands of Utah. These therapeutic boarding schools I hear so much about are reserved for kids with a diagnosable mental illness and parents who can afford to keep them under lock and key under the guise of treatment.  The same appears to be true of the rudimentary behavior modification programs which I don't believe any parent in their right mind would consider a viable option.

So thanks, Words of Wisdom.  My teen may be a pain in the rear but you have convinced me to throw away the brochures, videos and dozens of emails I have received from these so-called teen helpers and to inform the educational consultant referred to me by a parent I met on the Internet, I won't be needing their services (sic) either.

What I will do is invite my 17 year old son to visit this forum and read the propaganda from both sides of the controversy surrounding the teen help industry.  If he has any brains at all, he will quickly realize what I have come to understand about the industry and the kind of people who make a living *helping* troubled teens.  They are predators of the worst kind and no matter how concerned a parent is about their child's attitude and behavior, keeping them a safe distance from these vultures is a step in the right direction.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2004, 02:12:00 PM »
Don't give up so easily! The little fuckers need discipline! DISCIPLINE, I tell you. It's the only way!
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2004, 02:28:00 PM »
Have you checked into Oak Creek Canyon school in Arizona?  THey don't have much in the way of therapy or behavior mod, but are focused more on learning differences from what I've heard.  It's not good for troubled teens as they can leave at will.
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2004, 02:40:00 PM »
That sounds weak. DISCIPLINE is the key to reaping a healthy teenager.
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2004, 03:03:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-29 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well, that's it.  I am not sending my child to any christian fundamentalist program that torments them into accepting Jesus as their savior.  Nor will I send my child into the wilderness for a $20,000 wake up call when it would be just as effective and considerably less expensive to take the entire family to some remote outpost where we can sit around the campfire and talk about our issues after a hard day of hiking through the badlands of Utah. These therapeutic boarding schools I hear so much about are reserved for kids with a diagnosable mental illness and parents who can afford to keep them under lock and key under the guise of treatment.  The same appears to be true of the rudimentary behavior modification programs which I don't believe any parent in their right mind would consider a viable option.



So thanks, Words of Wisdom.  My teen may be a pain in the rear but you have convinced me to throw away the brochures, videos and dozens of emails I have received from these so-called teen helpers and to inform the educational consultant referred to me by a parent I met on the Internet, I won't be needing their services (sic) either.



What I will do is invite my 17 year old son to visit this forum and read the propaganda from both sides of the controversy surrounding the teen help industry.  If he has any brains at all, he will quickly realize what I have come to understand about the industry and the kind of people who make a living *helping* troubled teens.  They are predators of the worst kind and no matter how concerned a parent is about their child's attitude and behavior, keeping them a safe distance from these vultures is a step in the right direction.







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Excuse me Confused.  You are confusing me!  You started one thread asking about Summit Prep School, saying your child is already in a wilderness program.  You also said you were in contact with a school consultant.  Am I to understand that a parent referred you to the school from a website?  Will you please share that website.  I wasn't aware that parents were referring to summit Prep.  

There are many programs that do not use Jesus as the answer.  Many realize that we are smart enough to find our own answers and help us be true to ourselves.  If Jesus is a part of that, fine, but if not, no reason to force feed it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2004, 06:32:00 PM »
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"Oh, and another bit in response to "what would you do if it was your kid".



I have a relative who has a kid very much like yours, but a bit older.



What they ended up having to do was let their child go live with his grandparents.



Away from the stress of his own parents in adolescence, he didn't magically transform into a genius *without* a serious learning disability, but he *did* do better.



He eventually ended up moving in with his other parent and step-parent, but the flexibility of being able to live with whichever relatives he was coping with best did help him have more control over his own behavior.



He's never going to be magically "okay"---but he's as okay as he can be, for him.



I'm not sure, but I suspect he may be more disabled than your son is.  The poor guy has essentially no hope of ever passing his GED.  *Any* independence or functionality will be a victory.



There's a big difference between being the best and being *your* best.



His best is limited, but the way they're getting his best is with patience and flexibility."

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my son was labled "learning disabled" and was failing every class when he went to live w/grandparents in the summer last year.  the school where he is has block classes (1 hr. 20 minute classes, 4 classes a day) its a public school, just a different format, for some reason, this regime worked for him.  the kids get into groups after lecture and help each other understand.  he has a construction and nursery (agriculture) class and two academic classes.  He made this honor roll this semester.  
Has anyone ever seen themovie stand and deliver?
the resources the kids are given have a great deal to do with whether they are academically sucessful or not (equipment and supplies, intelligent, emotionally-engaged teachers, counselors, etc.)  stand and deliver is a true story.  I can also relay another "expierment" where the same sort of thing happened.  
seek resources.  RESOURCES.
my son is not magically ok.  he still has some problems he is working on in therapy but when you see progress is being made, it really feels good.  
on residential or BM facilities:
check isaccorp.com's warning / red flag list.  there is one that doesn't name the school or bm facility, but tells you what warniing signs to look for.  do your homework.  there are plenty of "bad" one's out there.  I just read last week (its also on the court tv website) about a young man that hung himself at Luthren Services.  the counselor went and got a camera to take photos of him hanging there.  When the police arrived, the child was still alive, they got him down but he lapsed into a coma and died 4 months later.  BEWARE.  whether they are religously affiliated, etc. count only on your OWN research.  I would not trust my son's welfare with a ED CON.
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2004, 07:03:00 PM »
You're better off not trusting ISAC either!  Their RED FLAGS are directed toward many schools with a very high success rate, they just don't like them.  Go figure.
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