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« on: March 28, 2004, 06:45:00 PM »
I'm a mother with a 17 yr son (18 in August).  He will be "graduating" from Wilderness in Utah in 2 weeks.  We still don't have a school for him to go to!  His therapist says he has improved so much and he thinks to continue  improving that he needs to be in 12mo. emot.growth school.  I have a school consultant.  We were steered to NWA because it fit his niche agewise and needing to graduate in 2005, etc.  Only after talking to them for half hour did we finally get it that he wasn't leaving their sides until he was done.  We can only visit on campus, every 3mos or so and if he's good eventually he could leave campus with us.  She said  kids don't want to leave even when 18 because they are so happy there.  Really worries me a lot.  Then we were told about Summit Preparatory School in Montana.  Apparently family can visit more often and more flexible.  Does anybody have any experience with this school?
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2004, 07:01:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-28 15:45:00, confused wrote:

"I'm a mother with a 17 yr son (18 in August).  He will be "graduating" from Wilderness in Utah in 2 weeks.  We still don't have a school for him to go to!  His therapist says he has improved so much and he thinks to continue  improving that he needs to be in 12mo. emot.growth school.  I have a school consultant.  We were steered to NWA because it fit his niche agewise and needing to graduate in 2005, etc.  Only after talking to them for half hour did we finally get it that he wasn't leaving their sides until he was done.  We can only visit on campus, every 3mos or so and if he's good eventually he could leave campus with us.  She said  kids don't want to leave even when 18 because they are so happy there.  Really worries me a lot.  Then we were told about Summit Preparatory School in Montana.  Apparently family can visit more often and more flexible.  Does anybody have any experience with this school?"


If he's doing so much better, have you considered trying him back at home with a good family therapist on an outpatient basis?

Or does he *want* to go?

You really should ask, since he'll be 18 in August.  This close to majority, if he doesn't want to go and you send him, you could lose him.

If he doesn't want to go and you don't want him home, have you considered whether he could live with friends or other family members?

Teens have natural conflicts with their parents, some of which there's good reason to believe are biologically hardwired.  He may function better living with friends or family.

If he doesn't want to go and wants to pursue the option of early emancipation as a minor, you might consider letting him get a job in something like construction where he can make good summer money starting off with youthful vigor and not much initial skill---you may be able to help him find an apartment or room for rent that's in a major city, with construction work, on a busline.  

You could help with therapy expenses or tuition and books for higher ed---get him started on independence with some limited assistance to ease him out onto his own.

Work in the real world has tremendous powers towards maturing a young adult, beyond those of any program.

I'm not saying don't send him to a boarding school he wants to go to.  I'm saying if he doesn't want to go, if you want to keep your relationship with him, you really need to explore other options with him.

Five months from now, he's not just going to forget all about it if you make a decision for him, now, that isn't the one he as an adult would have made for himself.

Adults remember how they were treated as kids.  Most of the time, the things a teenager was upset about you deciding for them, they *don't* "thank you for it later."

When I've seen parents make major life choices for their teens the teen didn't agree with (beyond not giving the teen as much money or stuff as he/she wanted), at least 90% of the time the former teen as an adult has disagreed with that decision for life and it has had major permanent negative effects on the relationship between the parent and the grown child.

"You'll thank me for this later," in the absolute best better judgement of the parent, works for dealing with two year olds----it is almost *never* true of dealings with a teen.

"You'll still hate me for this forty years from now, although you may still maintain at least a guarded relationship with me" is usually far, far more accurate.

At seventeen and a half, if he'd rather move out than go to boarding school, you will regret it for the rest of your life, bitterly, if you don't let him.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2004, 09:38:00 PM »
Get on the internet and find several different schools for yourself.  Ask your "school consultant" indepth questions about how many times they've been to the school they recommend and how long have they stayed during the visit.  Have they talked with the kids without staff being present?  

I'm not going to question the purpose in sending him to an RTC after wilderness, because I know it takes a lot longer than the quickie WP to have internalized results.  

If you feel visiting your son at will is good for your son, and only you know that, then I would go for the less restrictive school.  If you feel that he will use those visits to talk you into bringing him home, or will "look good" while you visit, that could be a problem.  It's for you to decide.

I have no experience of either school.  Mostly what you'll get on this board is what the above person wrote or worse.  

Do what your gut is telling you.  

If you've not looked into Spring Creek Lodge or Cross Creek (WWASPS program) they have 18 y.o. programs.  Nobody will tell you they WANT to stay there after they're 18 because they're happy.  They'll more than likely tell you they know they need to learn to make better choices, get their hs diploma or go to college while there...and they're right where they need to be.

P.S.  School/Educational Consultants don't refer to WWASPS as they don't get a fee for the referral.  They won't admit it, though!  Just an FYI.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2004, 11:42:00 PM »
The response of grown children to parents who have done things to them as teens that they (as teens) didn't want done is just a basic fact of life.

You want to hide that from the parent?

Everybody I know whose parents were weird enough to pull that kind of garbage on them---things like sending them off to some lockdown place against their will----basically chooses to have only very limited contact with their parents as adults, and to make sure that they are pretty much fully in control of whatever contact there is.

Everybody I know who was a wild child in high school who grew up and grew out of it without that kind of undesired intervention by their parents ended up basically productive and functional as an adult.  The exception was one guy who got accused of father a kid as a young teen, very possibly didn't do it, but either way just never got out from under the child support police.

Very, very few ended up "deadorinjail"---although a number of them did ditch their parents' religion, more or less.  Some more, some less.

If your kid wants to go, great.

If not, is five months worth jeopardizing your relationship with your son for life?  Really?

You'll have to decide that, but your choice won't be consequence-free.  Your son will judge you for it, and if you don't ask and respect his opinion, he's very, very unlikely to ever thank you for it.

Just the facts.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2004, 12:38:00 PM »
You didn't mention too much about what sort of behavior precipitated his stay at the Wilderness Program. Does he have a clinical diagnosis? Is he on medication? Is he physically aggressive? How motivated is he to perform academically in that kind of environment?

This sort of information would help a lot in determining what sort of school would be a good match, if any.

Also, if it's in Montana and it takes referrals from Wilderness Programs it's an RTC. Boarding Schools are stone edifices in New England with lacrosse teams and multi-million dollar endowments. Calling it Summit Preparatory School is kind of like mislabeling dog food as "cake".
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2004, 02:41:00 PM »
Sounds good.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2004, 10:56:00 PM »
Jesus loves you and so do I.  You will have many of us praying for your deliverance.  The demon tormentors that haunt you will be destroyed.  You will soon be experiencing the love of God as He pours it out on you.  Jesus is your savior, and He has set you free man.  He defeated satan and his liars.  May God bless every part of you, and your family.  I pray that God will set your friends free from the evil that taunts them.  You will have your freedom soon.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2004, 10:59:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-29 19:56:00, Word of Wisdom wrote:

"Jesus loves you and so do I.  You will have many of us praying for your deliverance.  The demon tormentors that haunt you will be destroyed.  You will soon be experiencing the love of God as He pours it out on you.  Jesus is your savior, and He has set you free man.  He defeated satan and his liars.  May God bless every part of you, and your family.  I pray that God will set your friends free from the evil that taunts them.  You will have your freedom soon."


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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2004, 09:09:00 AM »
I work at Summit Preparatory School in Montana, it is NOT an RTC, check it out on the web, at:

http://www.summitprepschool.org

There is contact information there if you want to talk to somebody.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2004, 06:28:00 PM »
I don't know if I've ever heard anything about Summit before. I note that it's a very new business. I was just looking over your website. One major difference that I see between Summit and a lot of the programs we talk about around here is that you're not hiding the location of the campus.

http://www.summitprepschool.org/File_Ga ... Us/map.pdf

I didn't see any mention of out of country or out of area campuses. Is this the only place where your students are housed?

When you say it's not an RTC, what do you mean? Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical, but your ap asks if the parent were refered by an edcon. Is this a lock down facility? Do you accept students brought involuntarily by "escort"?

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 10:50:00 AM »
We are a relatively new program, we received our first students in March of 2003, and the campus near Kalispell is the only campus.

RTC stands for Residential Treatment Center, which usually means it is highly structured and more of what you refer to as a "lock-down" type of facility.

Summit Prep School is not "locked", we are a college preparatory school, and a therapeutic program, sometimes refered to as "Emotional Growth" school.

Typically, an escort service is helpful to take a reluctent student to whatever Wilderness program they attend, then when the student completes their program at wilderness, the parents, or a representative of the wilderness program brings the student to our facility.

An "educational consultant" is someone who knows about various programs, wilderness,prep schools, a number of different programs so they can recommend what might be the best fit for your particular situation.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 10:59:00 AM »
Oh great, another emotional growth school that accepts kids who have been through a wilderness program first to shock 'em into compliance with long term residential placement in a "structured" environment?  How marvelous!

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 10:41:00 PM »
I am an ex-CEDU employee.  I would like to advise "confused" to avoid all CEDU schools (aka NWA) at all cost.  It is a sick place!  

I worked with a therapist that had escaped CEDU and is now working at Summit and loves it there.  I would trust this person with my life.  We had talked for hours about want a healthy program would look like and what would make it great. So  I would tend to believe that Summit is a solid healthy program.

Good luck in your search and research every program indept.

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2004, 12:18:00 AM »
Ok, let's talk turkey.

First, if you're going to hawk your program here, has it occured to you that some (sane) parents might be a little retisent to entrust their kids to someone who won't give their name? If you really want any credibility around here, I think you're going to have to give your real name.

Who are you?

Second, judging by the website, Summit looks like a resort spa. Hell, if my mom had shown me that website and told me I could go, I'd have been packed before she could say "well, wadaya say?"

Why would any kid be reluctant to become a student at Summit?

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2004, 03:29:00 PM »
Antigen,

I did not leave my name for the same reasons no one else does, trying to move on with life, law suits and CEDU is scary!!!

You are ex CEDU as well, so I am suprised that you would even ask me that question.

I am currently a drug counselor for a public school district in washington.  I had to leave my home in sandpoint because I could not  get work around there after CEDU.   (Many of the jobs I have applied to looked down on me because I had worked for CEDU).

I am finally getting my life put back together and moving on.  Yet, A part of me is still trying to make sense of it all.  I thought, along with many of the therapist (that have now left), that we could make a difference and change the system into a healthy  supportive enviroment.  I was wrong and it cost me dearly.

The therapist at Summit is someone I trust because we fought the good fight against the abuse and the shame that many of the staff placed on the students.  (I am withhold this persons name out of respect to their privatecy).

So why trust me about Summit  school? Don't!  Do the research for yourself.  Be critical, ask the hard questions and trust yourself! Take only what I say as one opinion. Consider my advice, but still make your own decisions about Summit or any other program

I am currently trying to discover what programs out there work and are healthy.  As a drug counselor I see tons of students that need help, but the public system tends to suffle them off instead of helping them (mainly do to lack of funding and programs).  As we know the private system is filled with crouption and abuse.  So my question to Antigen, as someone who is familiar with the industry, In your opinion what programs do you know about are healthy and productive in helping kids?

*If you still want to know who I am, send me a private message and I will gladly share more.

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