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« on: March 25, 2004, 09:29:00 PM »
Personally, I don't see the face of a happy camper, either pre or post program.  But what really concerned me were the legally prescribed drugs this boy was taking.

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2004, 09:39:00 PM »
I take it the ID number is so the person gets credit for referring a parent-in-crisis?

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2004, 09:40:00 PM »
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We went back again the next day and spent another two hours with staff, going over the program and visiting the facility.


Not with her son? Why on Earth would a mother spend her final day before leaving her son thousands of miles from home in Mexico with anyone other than her son?

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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2004, 09:42:00 PM »
Yes, a lot of "stuff", too much on this site.  Very cluttered.

I do see happy faces on this site, but I also want to say just because someone is not "smiling" doesn't mean they aren't at peace with their life.

 http://www.wwasp.com/source03/Mar-04L.pdf
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2004, 09:45:00 PM »
"Not with her son? Why on Earth would a mother spend her final day before leaving her son thousands of miles from home in Mexico with anyone other than her son?"

You really don't see?  Could it be that the son wasn't himself, drugs or whatever, and wanted nothing to do with mom's responsible visit to the school?  I get that she loved her son enough to tour and know he was in good hands.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2004, 10:38:00 PM »
After flying w/ his mom and then driving for hours w/ his mom and another relative, all of a sudden he can't stand the site of her?

Doesn't wash.

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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2004, 12:29:00 PM »
I would like to respond.  My name is Kathi, and I am the owner of the Teens with Problems web site.  My son, unbeknownst to me, stole 2 bottles of cough syrup from the airport in Las Vegas on our way to Los Angeles and drank both of them when he went to the bathroom.  Obviously, I could not follow him in there.  I was with him the entire time otherwise and never saw him take the cough syrup.  He was very adept at shoplifting.  After I dropped him off at the program and went back the next day, they told me he was very high on something but I had no idea on what.  He had been sitting in the back seat of my sister's car listening to CDs and not talking on our final leg of the drive, but considering the circumstances, I did not think that was unusual. I did not see him when I went back the next day because he was in the process of being oriented to the program.  It was not safe to spend my last night with him in Mexico because he probably would have died or gotten arrested had I done so.

My son graduated this program and is home and doing well.  He has a high school diploma, is working full time and planning on going to college in the fall.  None of this would have happened without this program.  This program was good for my entire family.  So you who have never experienced a child self-destructing can say what you want, but it saved my son's life.

Regarding the medications, my son heard voices telling him to do things.  He also had mood swings so extreme that he would literally get out of bed screaming at everybody.  Judge if you will, but if you have never been through it, you may not exactly understand the circumstances that would lead a parent to search for whatever means possible to save the life of her child.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2004, 12:36:00 PM »
Actually I HAVE been in your position.  I had a very out of control child at one point.  Somehow we muddled our way through without me having to resort to locking her up.  I'm so tired of parents saying 'what were we supposed to do? :scared: He/She was out of control.'  How 'bout being an involved, attentive parent from the start so you can build a trusting[/b] relationship with them that goes BOTH ways.  No one gets out of teenhood without some scars......that's the point....that's where we learn to deal with the extremes of life.  When it gets too tough for the parents, ship 'em off, someone else will fix the damage you've done. :roll:  :roll:

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2004, 12:45:00 PM »
I have 8 children.  All but one were drug users.  All are now clean and doing well.  I did everything I possibly could before I sent this one son away.  He was so out of control he would have died.  I had one son that did die in a DUI car accident that he caused and that also killed another woman.  I was not going to sit back and watch that happen again.  I have absolutely no regrets.  He is alive and doing well now.

BTW, I am also a homeschooler and a born-again Christian.  I believe that a parent is a child's best teacher.  However, homeschooling did not work with this son as it did with my other kids.  If I had felt I had any other choices, I would have taken them.  His counselor once told me he hoped my son would get arrested so he could get some help.  His school counselor told me he was so impulsive he was going to end up killing himself.  His substance abuse counselor told me the same thing.  We had 3-4 trips to the ER for drug overdoses in the last month or two he was home.  He was hospitalized for 7 days on an inpatient psych unit very delusional after taking who knows how many hits of acid, eating 3 boxes of Coricidin and drinking 2 bottles of cough syrup.  This was a month before he went into the program.  His psychiatrist congratulated me for putting him in a program because "it saved his life."

Enough said, he is alive and doing very well.  It was a very very tough decision, but I have no regrets.  We did the right thing for him.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2004, 12:47:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-26 09:45:00, Anonymous wrote:


BTW, I am also a homeschooler and a born-again Christian.  


Sorry, but that explains everything right there!! Well, OK....not the homeschooling.  I don't have anything against that.

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2004, 12:53:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-26 09:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have 8 children.  All but one were drug users.
BTW, I am also a born-again Christian.  


Thou art a christloving buffoon.
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2004, 12:54:00 PM »
One more thing.  He may be 'saved' for the moment, but I shudder to think of what you're going to have to deal with in 5, 10 or 20 years from now.  It hasn't been fun.

I'm not saying he didn't need help, but NO ONE needs THAT kind of help.

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2004, 01:02:00 PM »
Interesting....and people are always accusing the Christians of being judgmental.

My faith in Jesus has gotten me through many very incredibly difficult times, including the death of my little 5-year-old grandson at Easter two years ago and my son's death 6 years ago, as well as my other son's problems and my sister, with whom I am very close, nearly dying of a massive heart attack and then having her leg amputated because of diabetes 3 years ago.  My grandson was found hanging by his neck when he slipped and got stuck in a small apple tree.  His older brothers were not 20 feet away playing basketball with some friends.  He didn't make a sound and nobody saw him until it was too late...he was buried with his Easter basket.  An incredibly terrible loss for my family!!!  Without my faith, I would have never survived a second death of a young person in our family.  We've been through hell and back, but I am still here, doing well myself, and I wake up every day thankful for so many good things that the Lord has provided for us.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2004, 01:07:00 PM »
I'm really glad for you, honestly I am.  But I see no reason to further this discussion with you.  Born again Christians seem to be the most closed mined people I have ever met.  Yes, I realize the irony in stating that.  I am completely closed minded when it comes to discussing important issues with 'born again Christians'.  It just doesn't work for me.

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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2004, 01:49:00 PM »
Me too. My daughter seemed to have entirely lost her mind there for awhile. The differences between the situation she chose for herself and the Program were subtle. How ironic, huh? But they were important differences. The moment she decided she wanted out, she had every kind of help and support on tap. The cops would not arrest her for running away, we would not change the locks and kick her out but, instead, make a big cherry cheesecake w/ french cream then go on a weeks long shopping, decorating and home improvement spree to celebrate her return home.

Instead of trying to force her into "finding her bottom", we just stayed on her side, regardless, till she decided she'd had enough. Might she have been killed somehow? Sure. It happens. Thankfully, in our case, it did not. Like most people who go a bit overboard as teenagers, my daughter decided to get her act together and start working toward things like education, income, her own car, etc. all on her own.

But, unlike you, I know what happens when parents do send their kids off for thought-reform treatment. Death and insanity are fairly common outcomes from this kind of treatment. Just try and track down some sort of documentation for that laughable 98% success rate they claim. You won't find it, it's a total fabrication.

First, we're really not kidding about the high number of suicides among former Program clients or the cooralation between Program recruiting grounds and increases in teen suicide and serious depression. That means that, for example, the teen suicide rate went from 1 to 6 in Cape Coral during the year or two that a Straight program was open there. Doesn't mean your son will necessarily become suicideal. But it's a pretty safe bet that some of the kids he knew and, maybe, became attached to in the Program will not see their 30th birthdays. It's heartbreaking looking up old friends from the Program. I hardly ever dare to do it because either the news is not good or they don't want to be found and reminded of our weird little shared history.

There's little chance that you'll ever have back the kind of trust that we all need to have in our parents. Yes, I know, he's "doing well", coloring inside the lines and all that. But you just don't know what you're saying when you repeat the mantra that the Program saved his sorry, hopeless ass. It's as cruel a statement as telling a rape victim that they were never raped and they shouldn't go around saying such awful things about dear old Uncle Joe or Fr. Cassian. And you do not know what would have happened if you had not put him in the Program. I have news for you! Lots of kids get high on cough syrup. Many, many go pretty crazy w/ drugs for awhile. Very few people stick w/ habits that have really debilitating consequences.

And how do you know that all the tinkering and tampering by all the shrinks and counselors didn't contribute to his problems? Ever been on the receiving end of that kind of "help"? Every time I read or hear a parent repeat that mantra "We tried everything; shrinks, drug treatment, this, that, whatever... nothing worked!" (oh yes, dear, it goes all the way back to Art Barker and The Seed, at least!) I wonder if it ever occured to them to just not mess with the kid for awhile.

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