Bio on ALA Staff

[Anonymous]

How refreshing to see a program that is not reluctant to reveal the identity of their owners/operators and staff.  If nothing else, I give ALA a 10 for FULL DISCLOSURE, including Karen Z (aka Karen Burnett) our old friend on Fornits.  Would suggest that ALA not accept kids except on a voluntary basis, meaning zero tolerance for forced institutionalization and/or the use of transports to take kids against their will.  It just isn't the righteous thing to do and they should jump at the chance to set an example in the industry.  Just my opinion.

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[Anonymous]

Suggesting that the kids go voluntarily may only work if they are choosing between the juvenile justice system or a "program."  How many of you know kids that are using drugs to say "okay, I'd be happy to go?"  Most don't think there's anything wrong with their behavior.  So what if they list their short list of staff.  Besides, Karen Z is not my view of a stable individual.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-24 07:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Suggesting that the kids go voluntarily may only work if they are choosing between the juvenile justice system or a "program."  How many of you know kids that are using drugs to say "okay, I'd be happy to go?"  Most don't think there's anything wrong with their behavior.  So what if they list their short list of staff.  Besides, Karen Z is not my view of a stable individual.   "

For that matter, how many kids who are 18 years old and using drugs would go voluntarily to a "program"?  Not many which underscores the point that adults even as young as 18 years old, can not be forced into treatment against their will. Only persons who are under 18 can be abducted and forced into a treatment program.  Guess that's why they call it *kid*napping.

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[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-24 08:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-03-24 07:28:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Suggesting that the kids go voluntarily may only work if they are choosing between the juvenile justice system or a "program."  How many of you know kids that are using drugs to say "okay, I'd be happy to go?"  Most don't think there's anything wrong with their behavior.  So what if they list their short list of staff.  Besides, Karen Z is not my view of a stable individual.   "

For that matter, how many kids who are 18 years old and using drugs would go voluntarily to a "program"?  Not many which underscores the point that adults even as young as 18 years old, can not be forced into treatment against their will. Only persons who are under 18 can be abducted and forced into a treatment program.  Guess that's why they call it *kid*napping.



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Many parents hire these transporters largely on the recommendation of persons who may very well benefit from discouraging the parent from trying to transport a resistant teenager into a program, themselves.  Word on the street is that some referral agents and ed cons are supplementing their income with a tidy "kickback" in return for promoting the services of certain transport companies.

[Deborah]

***Suggesting that the kids go voluntarily may only work if they are choosing between the juvenile justice system or a "program."***

If there ever is an appropriate time for a teen to go to a warehouse, that may be it. There MIGHT be some that are better than juvie. I don't know, but I'd sure compare the two and advise my teen appropriately.

This attitude, "most don't think there's anything wrong with their behavior", is loaded and ususally detrimental rather than helpful. It implies that the only problem is with the teens "behavior", something they could change like they change their socks. It goes much deeper.

Young, old, and in-between abusers of drugs are not 'choosing' the behavior, in my opinion. It is by default, to ease the pain of 'not being at peace with themselves, their families, the world'.
For some period of time they are right with the world, all is well, they have some peace- a respite.

Instead of viewing the teen as a despicable individual with the equivalent intellegence and experience of an adult, who is hell-bent on destroying their lives and being a pain in your ass; it might be more productive to see it for what it is and do some diligent thinking on how to help without force.

Seems to be a real shortage of rationale around this issue.

If your best friend was abusing drugs, would you consider their 'behavior' to be malicious? Any educated person knows that you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped, including teens. How might one assist their child in coming to that desire for themselves?

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-24 07:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Suggesting that the kids go voluntarily may only work if they are choosing between the juvenile justice system or a "program."  How many of you know kids that are using drugs to say "okay, I'd be happy to go?"  Most don't think there's anything wrong with their behavior.  So what if they list their short list of staff.  Besides, Karen Z is not my view of a stable individual.   "

Perhaps you misundersand the meaning of the word "voluntary". It usually means "without coercion". So, a choice between criminal sanction and some other choice would not fit the definition of "voluntary". That would be coerced.

And yes, most kids who use certain unpatentable drugs don't see anything wrong with it.

Look around you! For as long as we've been keeping track, around half of all highschool kids will admit to smoking pot. And yet none of the horrible, appocolyptic results have occured. Are half the people you grew up with skidrow junkies today?

Kids are not stupid. That's why marijuana and (now) MDMA are so wildly popular while less safe drugs like opiates and stimulands only appeal to a rare few.

The lunatics at DFAF view it as a problem to be solved when kids and parents insist on believing the truth and refuse to believe their lies. They actually chart this stuff and justify more public spending by pointing out how many people in their study groups fail to absorb their propaganda.

And you, apparently, have fallen for it; hook, line and sinker.

If there's a worse idea going than locking up kids for unauthorized euphorea, it's probably locking them up in close proximity to some altruistic tyrant bent on helping them even if it kills them.

Suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of Congress.  But I repeat myself.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=circlofmiamithem&keyword=mark+twain&mode=books' target='_new'> Mark Twain

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Excuse me, but I know of one for sure that did not go voluntarily and if given the choice would be back in the US living with other family members who actually want her. Believe me she did not go voluntarily.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-07 17:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Excuse me, but I know of one for sure that did not go voluntarily and if given the choice would be back in the US living with other family members who actually want her. Believe me she did not go voluntarily. "

Unless you are the parent, it is really not your business

[Anonymous]

It is EVERYBODYS business when children are being held against their will in unregulated behavior modification programs. It does not make any difference who has put them there.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-10 20:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It is EVERYBODYS business when children are being held against their will in unregulated behavior modification programs. It does not make any difference who has put them there. "

Jump on the bandwagon in Arizona where a mother was recently sentenced to 20 years for protituting her 13 year old for crack cocaine.  That is an unfit mother.

You obviously are out of touch with reality.  As a parent, you will do many things throughout the life of your child that the child will not like.  However, as a parent, you are responsible to God, not to others who critisize you, for what you do with the child.  

If you are so concerned about the wellfare of other people's children, go to the local courthouse and volunteer for programs to be a voice for the abused children.

The child in question is not, nor has she been abused.

[Anonymous]

"It is EVERYBODYS business when children are being held against their will in unregulated behavior modification programs. It does not make any difference who has put them there. "
 
Amen!!!!  

Jump on the bandwagon in Arizona where a mother was recently sentenced to 20 years for protituting her 13 year old for crack cocaine. That is an unfit mother.

I will help those who God tells me to help.  That is what I am doing. There is a need for the world to know that children are being locked down and  stripped of their God given rights.  I don't think Jesus would ever lock kids up in order to force them to change.  That is not what Jesus is about.  I think those who do will be held accountable on judgement day.  If anything I think the salvation of the kids is being forced upon them by religous zealots such as yourself.  They are not accepting Christ by faith, they are being forced to accept Christ by coersion.

The fact that this is a religious program only makes it that much worse.  Do you think it is your place to tell me or any other individual or group which victims they should fight for?  

You obviously are out of touch with reality. As a parent, you will do many things throughout the life of your child that the child will not like. However, as a parent, you are responsible to God, not to others who critisize you, for what you do with the child.

No, I am not the one who is out of touch with reality. I know that when God put my precious  precious children in my hands, when he blessed me as a parent, he did not intend for me to turn them over to others to raise when things get tough.  

If you are so concerned about the wellfare of other people's children, go to the local courthouse and volunteer for programs to be a voice for the abused children.

I am invovled locally in a program.  The program is a court appointed program, a voice in court for children who are abused.

The child in question is not, nor has she been abused.

Yes she is.  At the very least, her freedom has been taken from her and she is being forced (not by faith) to accept the religious views of others.  

I am a Christian, but I am a Christian by choice, by faith, the way God intended for me to be. It is not my place to force Christianity on to others.  Nor is it yours!

[Anonymous]

Anon Writes:

"I am a Christian, but I am a Christian by choice, by faith, the way God intended for me to be. It is not my place to force Christianity on to others. Nor is it yours!"

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[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-11 08:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

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"It is EVERYBODYS business when children are being held against their will in unregulated behavior modification programs. It does not make any difference who has put them there. "

 

Amen!!!!  

Jump on the bandwagon in Arizona where a mother was recently sentenced to 20 years for protituting her 13 year old for crack cocaine. That is an unfit mother.

I will help those who God tells me to help.  That is what I am doing. There is a need for the world to know that children are being locked down and  stripped of their God given rights.  I don't think Jesus would ever lock kids up in order to force them to change.  That is not what Jesus is about.  I think those who do will be held accountable on judgement day.  If anything I think the salvation of the kids is being forced upon them by religous zealots such as yourself.  They are not accepting Christ by faith, they are being forced to accept Christ by coersion.



The fact that this is a religious program only makes it that much worse.  Do you think it is your place to tell me or any other individual or group which victims they should fight for?  

You obviously are out of touch with reality. As a parent, you will do many things throughout the life of your child that the child will not like. However, as a parent, you are responsible to God, not to others who critisize you, for what you do with the child.

No, I am not the one who is out of touch with reality. I know that when God put my precious  precious children in my hands, when he blessed me as a parent, he did not intend for me to turn them over to others to raise when things get tough.  

If you are so concerned about the wellfare of other people's children, go to the local courthouse and volunteer for programs to be a voice for the abused children.

I am invovled locally in a program.  The program is a court appointed program, a voice in court for children who are abused.

The child in question is not, nor has she been abused.

Yes she is.  At the very least, her freedom has been taken from her and she is being forced (not by faith) to accept the religious views of others.  



I am a Christian, but I am a Christian by choice, by faith, the way God intended for me to be. It is not my place to force Christianity on to others.  Nor is it yours! "

Amen.  As a Christian then you are aware of parent's responsibility to raise up a child in the way they should go.

God does not give us rights, He gives up responsibilities.  The parents have a responsibility to God, not to you, to do with their daughter what they feel is best for her.

As a Christian, then I ask that you too pray for wisdom on the part of the parents and for the girls eyes to be opened to see where she has strayed.

Have a blessed day.

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-11 12:33:00, Anonymous wrote:





Amen.  As a Christian then you are aware of parent's responsibility to raise up a child in the way they should go.



God does not give us rights, He gives up responsibilities.  The parents have a responsibility to God, not to you, to do with their daughter what they feel is best for her.



As a Christian, then I ask that you too pray for wisdom on the part of the parents and for the girls eyes to be opened to see where she has strayed.



Have a blessed day.

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There are limits to that, though. One couple in New York thought the right thing to do w/ their 15yo daughter was to chain her in her bedroom to prevent her from running around w/ the wrong crowd. They believed they were doing the right thing, but I think you would agree that that is questionable. Sometimes, the broader community has to step in an decide whether or not the parents in question are making reasonable decisions for their children.

I pray for the parents to have their own eyes opened to see where they may have crossed the line between loving discipline and abuse.

Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"  Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown, _Peanuts_ [Charles Schulz]