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« Reply #135 on: March 30, 2004, 11:53:00 PM »
I searched the Bible and I'll be damned, there is no biblical reference for the name CRAIG or surname ROGERS.  Does this mean what I think it means?

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« Reply #136 on: March 30, 2004, 11:55:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-30 20:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh for pete's sake, Craig .... don't you have a school to run?  



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I was thinking the same thing! As I recall, when they're busy with all kinds of captive adulation, they don't have time for much else but soaking it all up. Craig must have found himself w/ a good deal of idle time on his hands just lately. And you know what they say about idle hands!  :rofl:

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« Reply #137 on: March 30, 2004, 11:58:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-30 20:15:00, CraigRogers wrote:

"I think you asked whether or not you should do this forum thing full time?  My answer was, "keep your day job!"  You are not that good.  But keep practicing sport... someday you might just make it."

No, I asked whether or not ALA takes and holds kids against their will. Then I asked how, if you do, that fits with your belief that you're not forcing anything down their throats.

Pretty simple, really.

1) Does ALA take or hold kids against their will?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

2) If so, how do you reconcile that with your statement that you don't force anything down their throats?

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The legislature is to society as a physician is to the patient. If a physician ignored side effects of medications like today's legislators ignore the side effects of their legislation, the physician would be accused of malpractice. I accuse today's legislators (with rare exception) of legislative malpractice. Many of the ills that are so obvious in our society are a direct result of previous legislation. Their solution? More laws!
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« Reply #138 on: March 31, 2004, 12:00:00 AM »
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And you know what they say about idle hands!

Well, HELL YES I DO!!! And to think that I once thougt so highly of yew, Craig. Yew are nuthin but the SPAWN OF SATAN. Git thee behind me SATAN. I got me some vassaline..oh durn, I didn't meen t' say that...aw hell...  ::blushing::
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« Reply #139 on: March 31, 2004, 12:13:00 AM »
Yeh, I'm an alcoholic and Aparicio is a drug abuser.   ::cheers::

I imagine Aparicio too might have said things you didn't like, drawing you to conclude that his mind must be altered, huh? Things like:

THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&58

So many questions. So few answers. So many left to wonder.
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« Reply #140 on: March 31, 2004, 12:39:00 AM »
CRAIG:  From surname meaning, "dwells at the crag."

Definition: From the Gaelic word "creag" or "carraig," meaning 'rock.' In Scotland, many forts were built on massive rock outcroppings, and the surname CRAIG was often used to refer to the people who established or occupied these rocky fortifications.
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« Reply #141 on: March 31, 2004, 01:24:00 AM »
Hey... yes, I do have extra time on my hands this week.  Glory to God!  Those of us who produce in society do occasionally have a week or two off each year.  Just so happens that I have had a few days off.  Perhaps you guys dont understand, due to the fact that you dont have real jobs.  It must be wierd not having a job, having extra time to be on the Internet talking to folks on web forums.  I know that my time is short and soon I will have to be back to work so I will enjoy myself while I can.

To answer your questions.  One, I do not know of any case where Abundant Life Academy has hired an escort service.  Also, most of our students come to Abundant Life Academy on their own accord, by their own choice.  They may not be happy about it, but they chose Abundant Life Academy over other schools because we are not a lock down facility.  Almost 100% of our students are thankful that their parents found Abundant Life Academy and choose ALA over the "lockdown" type of program.

Our students are out and about in the community every day.  Our students participate in Mercy Ministries (feeding the poor and elderly, building homes for the homeless, teaching job skills to the jobless, etc), they work at regular jobs, they drive, and they can call their parents all the time, and visa versa. They are not given all this freedom all at once, but as they prove themselves able they are given more opportunities to strive for great heights then they have ever had.

We do scrutitize our students decisions, but instead of trying to control them we coach them.  We expect greatness from them so we must give them wings to fly.  We give our students tremendous freedom and liberty to strive for greater things.  We do have structure and discipline, but it is not imposed.  The students live communially, meaing everyone does their part.  Those who loaf or fail to pull their weight get challenged.  Our students hold one another accountable.

We do not have a locked down program.  If a student left we would call call their parents and the authorities, and we would make every effort to make sure they were safe. And, we would compell them to come back to the school in order to complete their commitment to themselves, to the other students, and to their families.

So, now you know why I did not answer your questions.  Had you known ANYTHING about Abundant Life Academy you would not have lumped our school into the same kettle as the other programs.  I hold the same feelings toward the WWASP type programs as you all do.  Instead of being nasty toward them, I have created an alternative program where kids are encouraged to strive for greatness and given the opportunity to do so.  

Also, Abundant Life Academy is a positive peer culture.  Meaning, it is not a staff driven program, it is a student driven program.  Our staff are not the focal point.  The students are the government and they have a great deal of influence on the day-to-day decisions of the school.  Our students are not held down, they are empowered to rise up and go for more.

Abundant Life Academy is a leadership program and we want our students to soar.  We want them to fly the coup and to go make a difference in the lives of others.  Abundant Life Academy IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE STUDENT'S FUTURE.  We teach our students that they dont need us to be  successful.  We are only short term life coaches helping them to come into their own.  We believe that an relationship with Jesus is the only answer and we teach that.  However, we also teach that it is not our job to make the relationship between the student and Jesus a reality.  It is up to the student.

Our program is short term (6 to 9) as opposed to the 15 to 18 months that is demanded from therapeutic program.  Additionally, we dont crame religion down the student's throat, we give them a chance to serve others in the spirit of Christianity and explore their Chrisitian heritage.

We also have students on scholarships.  We are not about profits and money.  We are about serving others, and empowering others to get out of themselves and start giving. We are about taking down walls that keep our students bound.  We are about freedom.

You all have no clue what Abundant Life Academy is all about.  You have no idea that our school is designed to fight against the WWASP type programs.  We are the positive alternative to the WWASP type of programs.  

One last thing... if you guys could get past your own wounds you would find that there are progressive schools out there that are doing a good job.  When Abundant Life Academy and other progressive alternative schools become successful we can put WWASP out of business.  If parents had an effective alternative to the WWASP type program, then WWASP would not be able to harm children.

There is a need for alternative progressive schools for kids that are struggling to make the transition from adolescences into adulthood.  They need encouragement, not punishment.  They need freedom, not imprisonment.  They need a dose of reality so that they can become empowered to fulfill their destiny.

Again, all you guys do is complain, bitch, and moan.  You make all kinds of nasty remarks about something you are not willing to do anything about.  I say, "role up your sleaves and get to work.  Create the alternative school to the WWASP type program.  Design the most ideal school to help struggling teens and then go make it a reality.  Get off your duffs.  Make your alternative school so successful that you put WWASP out of business.  Put your money where your mouth is and shut up.  DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM.  All your hate is drowning your message."  

Believe it or not I am just as disgusted as you are over the fact that so many parents are sending their kids to WWASP type programs.  But screaming about it on Fornit's forum is doing no one any good.  Actually, you are hurting your own cause.  People like Ginger and Deborah should get rid of the clowns who take up space on this forum and encourage progressive thinkers to join the cause.  Recruit people who want to make a positive difference.

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« Reply #142 on: March 31, 2004, 02:29:00 AM »
You know, I recently bought a different brand of deodrant, one that smelled better, cost less and fit better in my travel kit.  Guess what? I still have B.O.

Moral of the story ...

No program, no matter how kind, how gentle, how loving can cure adolescence.


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« Reply #143 on: March 31, 2004, 03:08:00 AM »
Craig Writes:

"I hold the same feelings toward the WWASP type programs as you all do. Instead of being nasty toward them, I have created an alternative program where kids are encouraged to strive for greatness and given the opportunity to do so."

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B.I.N.G.O.  Mr. Rogers just confirmed the fact that he believes there is good reason for parents to be skeptical of the teen help industry at large, and in particular, a certain organization that happens to be a major competitor.  

Folks, this is the same song that keeps being played over and over.  

Bottom Line:  

The Teen Help Industry thrives on helping parents control or change the behavior of their children in accordance to strict rules and enforced discipline.  In short, they are surrogate parents, for better or for worse.
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« Reply #144 on: March 31, 2004, 07:52:00 AM »
Craig is your Jesus as sarcastic as you?  Did he talk to those he preached to the same way as you?  You are the one who claims to be a Christian, I just have to wonder if you are an example of what it is like when some becomes a born again Christian.  If you are, Jesus is not at all what I thought he was.
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« Reply #145 on: March 31, 2004, 11:01:00 AM »
Craig - WWASPS programs are nasty?  Did that come from Karen's son?  Looks to me like what you are trying to do is make us think that your program is better, put it out on the internet so someone will believe it and instead choose your program.  Hard times at ALA?  

That along with threatening a lawsuit makes me think so.
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« Reply #146 on: March 31, 2004, 12:46:00 PM »
There ain't nuthin' Crishtin about Creg!! He's the SPAWN of the fuckin' DEVIL!!!!  :flame:
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« Reply #147 on: March 31, 2004, 01:27:00 PM »
Craig, you say you "compel" runaways to return.

Compel means "force."

So that answers the question.  Kids placed in your program are *NOT* free to leave.

You also say "most" come of their own free will.  That leaves the possibility that some don't.

You also say that ALA "doesn't hire" escorts.  What you *don't* say is whether you admit kids whose *parents* hired escorts to get them there.

Bad Program, No Biscuit.
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« Reply #148 on: March 31, 2004, 01:46:00 PM »
Craig, why not accept some constructive criticism and reform your program.

Tell parents (and stick to it) that you will not admit kids delivered by escort services, and that you will not admit kids who do not walk through the door into the facility under their own power, uncuffed, unrestrained, and uncoerced.

Tell parents (and stick to it) that you will not re-admit kids who have run away from your program *unless* they walk back through the door uncuffed, unrestrained, and uncoerced, and sign a waiver *requesting* readmission to your program.

You want to claim you're a better program?  Fine.  *Be* a better program.

One thing *I* would like to see in a program that would actually be a *good* one is for it to be in a state with liberal "emancipated minor" rules, where there are dorms, transportation to work, and cafeteria plans set aside for *reasonable* room and board fees (market value minus the program therapeutic cruft), where if a kid doesn't want to be in a program, he/she is allowed/encouraged to get a job in the community, and pay his/her own room, board, and transit expenses---and when he/she meets the legal limit of time living with his/her own job paying his/her own food and rent, the kid is handed the boilerplate minor emancipation form and gets a ride to the courthouse during the appropriate hours to file the forms.  After emancipation, what he/she does is his/her business.

Work, for pay, and paying your own expenses, is the most maturing experience for an adolescent that there is.  I have seen any number of adolescents transformed into adults by this process, and I have seen any number of young adults stay in prolonged adolescence when they haven't had the maturing experience of holding down a job and paying their own bills.

If the option of pursuing emancipated minor status is genuinely open, available, and encouraged for the kids that want it, that would allay most of my concerns about a program.

(If the kid is pursuing emancipated minor status, tuition from his parents would probably have to be escrowed for those months and returned to the parents if the kid successfully got declared emancipated.)

If the kid doesn't have a choice, or if his only "choice" is another private prison, don't kid yourself, the kid has made no "commitment" to the program----he's just been involuntarily committed to it.

"Compelling" a kid to keep his "commitment" to the program when he never had a choice about whether or not to enter a program (and doing things his parents or society rightly or wrongly disapprove of is *not* "choosing to enter a program") is like  compelling a child bride to keep her "commitment" to a forced marriage.

An "commitment" made under duress is not valid.

If a kid's only choice is your program or some other program, then he's under duress.
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« Reply #149 on: March 31, 2004, 02:06:00 PM »
Oh---and another thing---if you want to be a better program, Craig, refuse to admit any kid whose parents (and the kid) won't all sign a form saying the kid currently has a choice of somewhere to live that is *not* your program or some other program, and stipulating where that kid is welcome to live if he chooses not to enter the program---whether that someplace is with one or both parents, a friend's family, grandparents, other relatives, or in a rental room, mobile home, or efficiency apartment.

Have both parents and the kid sign saying that your program allows any admittee to pursue meeting the state requirements for emancipated minor status at any time, and that by admitting their child to your facility, the parents are going on record as giving their consent to their child's petition for emancipated minor status if he chooses to pursue that status and can achieve the requirements.  Have them sign saying parents will *not* be notified by the school or its employees if the child chooses to pursue emancipated minor status until after the child meets the requirements and files *but* that while the child is paying for his own rent, transportation, and food, any moneys paid to the school by the parents will be held and returned to them upon the child's completion of the emancipation process.

Otherwise, your admittees are coerced.  They don't owe a "commitment" to your program---you just want to believe they do.

Any kid that is willing to work at a job, and can hold down that job, to pay his own bills, is *not* going to end up "deadorinjail" and is on the best possible road to *not* being a practicing drug addict.

What I'd do for kids without the work experience or not making enough to pay their own bills is let them deposit their paychecks in an account that saves up to be used by them as their safety net once they are making enough to cover their rent and bills and move into the "trying for emancipation" phase---so if they get sick or have to go to the doctor or have to get special clothes for work or have some other unplanned expense, they can still pay their bills and make the rent.

If work and independence are an option for the kids that can and will achieve that, I'd be a *lot* less worried about program abuses.

You'd have a lower risk of runaways, too---since there would be a way out that was legal and would lead to real independence.

Any kid that *can* hold a job and work hard enough to pay his own food and rent and such, doesn't need to be in a program.  Letting such out, and making parents sign on to that in advance, would protect your program from admitting kids who didn't need to be there who just had loopy parents.
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