OMG!

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-14 10:38:00, Antigen wrote:

"Then, essentially, you're saying you'd like for people to do more of what you think is important and less of these other things they want to do.



Yes, the Klan is more organized than Program vets. So is Al Queda. So were the Nazis; all named religions and the Drug Free America Foundation. Coincidence? I think not!

Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter

"

I really don't want for anyone to do anything, aside from:
1.) realize that fornits forums are a strong voice of all those that shared a similiar experience.  That voice becomes convaluded and diluted when mixed with a certain variety of shit posts.  No different than if Martha Stewart blanketed this  board with recipes.  While I may become a better cook because of it, I (and a certain many others) would likely tell her to find a culinary related forum.
2.) realize that there are more solidified movements out there for trivially ridiculous bullshit that actually get publication, airtime, and recognition, because of union.  You mentioned "Al Queda, Nazis, all named religions, and the Drug Free America Foundation" in your post which sounded like a meglomaniacally oppressive group is your opinion of what the end result of grass roots level organization is.  The Zapatistas, The Weathermen, The Black Panthers, even citizens against the citrus canker commies, have yet to attract attention to thier cause by pissing the day away with song lyrics and "Your a fag" photo posts.

In summary and regardless, I care little about the graffiti tagged here currently on these boards, but I do remember a time before the straight bbs was on fornits that consisted of a relatively small group of people that were not as much concerned with "artistic self expression" and song lyrics as they were with attending to issues of topical relavance.

[Cayo Hueso]

What seems to be so hard about doing both???  I participate in some pretty heavy discussions here sometimes.  Other times I just bullshit, sometimes I have a little fun with the trolls.  As I've said before, the more you post and respond to what you think is important, the more it will further those discussions.  Stop wasting so much time worrying about people that you consider to be idiots.

If most people, as you have intimated, don't like his posts......then don't respond and they'll fall off the end of the page.

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys

--P.J. O'Rourke

[Antigen]

Yes yes! We all want to be just like the Zapatistas!

I'm sorry if we don't all live up to your expectations. . . no, wait.... I'm not. Never mind.
:smokin:

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James

[Anonymous]

Cayo, I hear ya
Antigen, I'd rather here from Kathy.

[Anonymous]

uh, er I mean "Hear", here that is,
or uh something like that.

[Cayo Hueso]

It just doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, or this black and white.  Not everyone is going to like or appreciate everything that is written here.  Do we start separate threads/forums for everything that's posted that someone takes offense to???  There's a lot of shit on here that I consider to be completely useless.  I just don't bother with it.  It's really not worth my time or effort.  I'd rather put my efforts into responding to people I DO enjoy.  Very often, that inlcudes the trolls.  So because you and some others don't like them, I shouldn't be able to participate in and enjoy the theatrics???

who needs regular piss tests more than a former blowski who has his finger on the button?
--Chuck Beyer

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-14 13:03:00, cayohueso wrote:

"I don't think anyone's trying to force you to be tolerant of anything, except the fact that the posts are going to be there.

Exactly. It goes the other way too.

You can't get around that unless he IS banned and you said that's not what you want.  Speak out against him all you want.  Just understand that quite a bit of the time you will just be perpetuating it all.

I never said I didn't wish him banned, I just know Ginger wouldn't do it. I don't feel that what I'm doing now is perpetuating it.

Respond to what you think is important.  Ignore what you think is not.

Kind of hard to ignore a giant repulsive picture on the screen.

The best way to keep important discussions going on here, if that's what you're after, is to participate in and start those discussions.

Well, my point is that I don't want to anymore, along with other survivors who never post here anymore, because of these idiots. My choice, I know. Still, posting Anonymous is really not contributing very personally, and I have no desire to log in here as a member anymore.

Logic dictates that the more you respond to those discussions and the less you respond to what you consider to be trash, then you'll get what you want and others will get what they want.  Sounds fair to me.

Yes, but then again, not everything is strictly based on logic alone. It bothers me to see good people become sickened by the current state of the board, and leave. The board's name is "Straight, Inc. Survivors" which implies unity for veterans of that particular program. That seems to be gone now

[Cayo Hueso]

I agree...it bothers me that a lot of them are gone too.  But, I don't think it can just blanketly be blamed on Therion, Fucktard or anyone else.  In the first place, a lot of the regulars left BEFORE this started for other personal reasons.  Second, if people have truly been run off by these posts, then that IS sad, but sad because good people allowed themselves to be run off.  I had a problem with a couple of the pics that were posted.  I PMd the guy and talked with him directly.  When I DID that, I got a whole lot better understanding of what he was about.  My point is, don't let ANYONE run you off these boards.  It IS your choice.  

Another point.......this happens every once in a while in these forums.  I don't know about other forums, this is about the only one I visit.  It goes in cycles, things heat up then they calm down.  Be patient.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle

[Cayo Hueso]

and if those people that left because of Therion/Fucktard/Whoever, had started threads aobut what THEY thought was important and people like you and me and Ginger and whoever else participated in THOSE discussions instead of just leaving, think about how much further along we'd be now.

... and the group leader was a clown.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=742&forum=8#38785' target='_new'>GregFL

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[ This Message was edited by: cayohueso on 2004-03-14 13:56 ]

[Anonymous]

I see where you're coming from cayohueso, and want to thank you for your genuine concern on this subject. You're right, it is my choice.  :smile:

[Anonymous]

As the other anon that has been posting in this thread, I concur and agree with anon #2.

Zapatista's aren't the model for a group such as those formerly associated with the program. That is not what I inferred.  More simply that the union and motivation here is inadequate and disproportionate for the shit we endured.  It is no wonder Bradbury isn't getting overwhelming support.

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-14 13:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

The board's name is "Straight, Inc. Survivors" which implies unity for veterans of that particular program. That seems to be gone now

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply unity as a prerequisite to participation here. I can't even remember a time when there wasn't some contention in these fora. Are you sure things have changedand not just your perception of things?

Step 1. We came to understand that the government is powerless over people's private use of drugs and that the War on Drugs was making the government's life unmanageable.

--Scott Tillinghast

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-14 14:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"As the other anon that has been posting in this thread, I concur and agree with anon #2.



Zapatista's aren't the model for a group such as those formerly associated with the program. That is not what I inferred.  More simply that the union and motivation here is inadequate and disproportionate for the shit we endured.  It is no wonder Bradbury isn't getting overwhelming support."

Hey now! I'm not the one who failed to provide overwhelming support for Richard, you are!

Seriously. If you think Richard should get more support, do what I do; whenever something happens that they're allowed to talk about w/o violating any court orders, post it here, tell your friends, notify journalists and interest groups who might be interested. But if you're waiting around for it to just happen somehow via the forum, you're missing the boat. It's here, use it as you will or not.

And, of course, you have a point. You have every right to grouse about other people's postings if that's what you'd rather do. But it doesn't mean I'm going to agree with you.

The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918)

[Therion]

On 2004-03-13 06:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You said "maybe I should start posting anon". are you fucking kidding?  Aren't you the asshole that has crawled up so many other asses for posting anonymously?  I'll mark your doubletalking ass words Therion.



"Go fuck yourself" you said. Even Fucktard is more articulate.  The intellect of your response has me lost for words.  Your post in this thread was identified because your small world isn't just that of your own. Other people know of the three year old lyrics that you call "lil works of art" and it's redundant to read them here after the discs were in most cd changers years and years ago for those of us that don't live under your rock in Texas.



Why don't you request your own artistic expression board from fornits so that you and you alone could post your senseless rantings that were created, published, and even copyrighted by others that you insist on copy and pasting here.  That would indeed be a world solely of your own. Therion's Domain. You could post your fairy ass pictures of your skinny ass self and your novice ass glass bowl, your song lyrics copied from other sites, your questions on the elements of heroin and the effects it has on your rotten mind, etc.  Maybe then these boards can regroup and once again become the think tank it was once with unified intent on stopping the shit that we all experienced in the program rather than the contemporary moronic blogs that not only discredit those trying to make a difference, but serve as verification to those in favor of the program that life is shit without "working your program"."

I was being sarcastic you fuckwit....and I wasnt unified with you in straight and think alot of you are garbage so...
 please go die...
 More of therions blog style posting inc...
 Besides you made me this way  :lol:
And as far as what was in your cd changer years ago thats beside the point, any lyric I find relevant at any given second will be posted without hesitation..
 Remember cut up....not across..

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[ This Message was edited by: Therion on 2004-03-14 16:32 ]

[Anonymous]

Another classless, tasteless, useless post by Therion.

"You made me this way."

Story of your life, isn't it?