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Parable on Teen Suicide
« on: March 02, 2004, 11:40:00 AM »
I had the opportunity to see Daniel Quinn over the weekend, author of ?Ishmael? and other wonderful stories. He shared a parable on Teen Suicide which he had previously presented at a conference entitled: ?Protecting The Environment: Whose Business Is It?? to explain ?why government regulations and laws will never solve any problem society is faced with?. While intended as a parable, it is painfully close to reality for teens and the adults who are entrenched in the myths of the culture.

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Once upon a time in a certain city it was noticed that pre-adolescent children were beginning to throw themselves off the roofs of tall buildings with alarming frequency. No one wondered for a moment whose business it was to deal with this alarming development. The city council met and quickly drafted some regulations requiring the erection of guard rails on the roofs of tall buildings. Denied this means of suicide, however, children began to throw themselves off of much lower buildings, and soon all buildings of more than three storeys were required either to install guard rails or to block access to roofs. The expense was enormous, but of course what is outgo to one person is income to another, so the economy continued to flourish as before.

Unfortunately, however, the pre-adolescent suicide rate did not decline. Instead of throwing themselves from buildings, children were now drowning themselves in the river that ran through the city. This was even more perplexing, because no one could think of any practical means of making the river inaccessible to would-be suicides. At the same time, no one wondered whose business it was to stop these drownings. The city council met and finally decided to erect watch towers every five hundred meters all along the river's edge. Unfortunately, the effect of this was merely to move the suicides from daytime hours to nighttime hours, when the watchers were blinded by darkness. Of course, it was totally out of the question to install searchlights to cover such a wide area. Instead it seemed sensible to institute a curfew for children under fifteen.

So, between the watch towers manned during the day and the curfew maintained during the night, self-drowning came to an end -- but, alas, not the suicides in general. Children began to hang themselves. Civic leaders saw immediately that they needed parental cooperation to control this new development, and so initiated a massive education program to show parents how to reduce hanging opportunities in their homes and neighborhoods. Ropes were put under lock and key. Belts, ties, and suspenders vanished. Bedrooms were routinely searched for evidence of braiding projects.

As hanging opportunities declined, however, children found other opportunities in bottles, jars, and boxes in medicine cabinets, potting sheds, and garages. With these means, they succeeded in rendering themselves sick, blind, comatose, brain damaged, and indeed very often completely dead. New educational programs were put in place, and the city expanded the activities of its poison control center to include home visitations and inspections. The hospitals soon noticed a decline in pre-adolescent patients who were merely sick, blind, comatose, or brain damaged -- but a dramatic increase in those who were just plain dead by poisoning. A reporter on the local paper soon discovered the explanation. As poisons became unavailable in the home, teenage entrepreneurs began to make up the shortfall in the school environment. Not only were poisons readily available there, the market pressure of competition assured that they were of high quality, which is to say that, unlike products found randomly in the home, these were reliably lethal.

Naturally law-enforcement officials ordered a crackdown on the playground poison trade. And naturally this didn't end the trade, it just drove up prices. The incidence of crime among pre-teens soared as youngsters scrambled for funds with which to buy oblivion. Then one day an armed eleven-year-old was gunned down by law enforcement officials at a robbery site. This was a revelation for would-be suicides, for they suddenly realized that it was now much easier to find death by way of a policeman's bullet than by conventional means, which the city had gone to so much trouble to put out of reach. Overnight a fifth of all the city's pre-teens were running amok to make themselves into attractive targets of lethal force.

The city council hastily met to address the crisis. The police commissioner was on hand to demand safety for the public. The head of the police union was on hand to demand safety for law enforcement officers. The head of the controller's office was on hand to explain that there were no funds left anywhere in the budget to throw at this problem. The school superintendent wanted special patrols for classrooms and hallways. The head of the teacher's union, on the other hand, argued for an early school closing. The city attorney proposed developing an early-warning system so suicidal youngsters could be locked up for their own good. The head of the prison department informed him that the jails were already full to overflowing with would-be suicides, with a shocking number of them condemned to sleeping on the floor.

A member of the general public -- an ordinary citizen -- at last managed to gain the floor to make a statement. "Instead of spending all this time, energy, and money to prevent children from doing what they want to do," she said, "why don't we spend some of it to find out why they WANT to do it in the first place? What is IMPELLING them to self-slaughter? We need the answer to that question, and when we have it, we need to do something about it. Then we won't HAVE to patrol the river and guard the roofs and lock up our neck ties and all the rest." Well, this statement shocked the assembly into a long moment of silence. Then a wave of baffled looks and shrugs traveled round the room, and the council members resumed their former conversation at precisely the point at which it had been interrupted.

The question is: Why? Why was this upstart citizen ignored? It was because she was not going along with the idea that pre-adolescent suicide is government business. We all know what the business of government is. The business of government is making and enforcing regulations. Governments approach ALL problems as problems of making and enforcing regulations. They reduce all problems to things about which regulations can be made and enforced. This upstart citizen was trying to propose an approach to the problem that had nothing to do with regulations, and so she was ignored -- and rightly so, from the point of view of the city council.
Entire lecture at:
http://ishmael.com/Education/Writings/rice_u_2_98.shtml

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Highlights from the lecture this weekend:
Undesirable behavior HAS NEVER been stamped out by laws.
Cultural Rule- ?If it doesn?t work, Do it more.?
It?s futile to fight, wage war against anything. Ex: War on Drugs, Cancer, Terrorism.
Terrorism can?t be wiped out by War or Control. Must ask Why the US is the most hated nation.

In case you are wondering what Quinn sees as a solution, it is ?the changing of minds?. When people change their minds everything changes, most importantly the way they live. How do you change minds about the Teen Help=War on Adolescence Industry?
Rampant talking. Sharing experiences-letting the truth be known. Which can result in decreased enrollment and lawsuit. The latter will bring the truth to the masses.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2004, 01:51:00 PM »
::rainbow::

return undef() if /coercion/sgi;

Either cocaine and marijuana are terribly dangerous substances, and breaking the law by consuming them is a major offense that should be severely punished, or these are minor, personal matters that do not really count in the big picture of a man's life. If the latter is the case, then the rationale for a bloody, costly and futile war against drugs simply disappears.
--Jorge G. Castaneda, Newsweek International, September 6, 1999

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2004, 07:17:00 PM »
http://news10now.com/content/all_news/? ... 8&SecID=83

Drug arrests in Village of Fowler
3/2/2004 2:59 PM
By: News 10 Now Staff

Two more students have been arrested on drug charges at the Southwest Technology Center
BOCES in the Village of Fowler.

The St. Lawrence County Sheriff's Department charged a 16-year-old with criminal
possession of Ritalin, a controlled substance. He is facing one year of jail time.

Meanwhile, a 17-year-old was charged with criminal sale of a controlled substance. He is
looking at fifteen years in a state prison.

Last month, a 16-year-old was charged with sale of a controlled substance.

If convicted, he too could receive fifteen years in state prison.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2004, 08:23:00 PM »
You can prove almost anything with a parable, because the person writing the story has his thumb on the scale---inevitably, unavoidably.

Not a big fan of government, myself, but also not a big fan of proof by parable.  

Government has things it does badly, and things it does moderately well.  Enforcing rules against people who kidnap and imprison and abuse others is one of the things government does moderately well.

Saving people from themselves, government bad.

Saving people from the pernicious acts of others, government less bad than the alternatives.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2004, 08:40:00 PM »
I dont' think it was being offered up as proof of anything.  I think it was to illustrate a point, which IMHO, it succeeded in admirably.  :nworthy:

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2004, 09:22:00 PM »
Anon,
I'm all for ANY and EVERYTHING that can be done via government, regulations, etc. I do not for a minute believe that it will keep teens safe while in the hands of strangers, OR improve the methods employed by the owners. The state is not there on a daily basis, nor do they want to be. Lucky to come every 3 years after the initial okay.

All programs should be licensed before operating and monitored, if for no other reason than to do otherwise is violating the law and deceiving parents.

State regulators should be investigating all facilities that warehouse children to discern if they are indeed what they say they are and they should be slapping huge fines on the "defiant" program owners. Unfortunately, that is too rarely the case.

And, will any of that keep the kids safe and ensure useful treatment? I think not. It would mostly be a pain in the program owners ass, another good reason to require licensure.

The THI could have easily been the last paragraph of the parable- what many see as the latest "solution" in the War On Their Fears. Total incarceration, private prisons, monitoring 24/7.

The parable is dead on. It could've been written about the environment, terrorism, you fill in the blank and it fits. Why? Because the predominent paradigm in this culture is WAR. Got to get em. Kill em. Erdicate em. Control everything and everyone. And, it's quiet profitable to maintain the status quo.

What do you project the government doing to help this situation? How it might be done? Can you point to any current examples? And, don't point to the warning issued to parents about placing their teens outside the US. Most don't even know it exists.


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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2004, 10:07:00 PM »
When a child dies while in the custody of their "caregivers" (sic), and no one is held accountable, save for a slap on the wrist and a pitifully small fine, one can only conclude what a child's life is worth to people who have the power to shut down this industry overnight.  Not much.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2004, 10:54:00 PM »
Absolutely correct Anon. Makes one kinda wonder... why all the hoopla to prevent drug use and suicide.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2004, 12:13:00 AM »
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Absolutely correct Anon. Makes one kinda wonder... why all the hoopla to prevent drug use and suicide.



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Deb, ain't that the truth?  Was kind of thinking maybe the anti-teen-hurt-industry crusaders might want to organize a protest similar to the one at Yale (or Harvard, forget which one) where the PETA folks protested naked.  Heck, their breasts made it on CNN and FOX for a good cause.  What's stopping us???
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2004, 12:21:00 AM »
Kids want to kill themselves? That's why they need Straight!
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