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Offline Cayo Hueso

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2004, 03:11:00 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2004, 03:27:00 PM »
I am a spiritual person but would never attend a religious ceremony.

I like to read about different relgious ideas mostly eastern, like Buddisim, got some good things out of that... don't like confusiscim (sp??) too apathetic, isalm, and 5 percenters I just find interesting but only because they are often so extreme.... but christianity is on of the most frightening of them all.

I don't believe in a hell and if God is that cruel why would I want to go pay my respects to him every Sunday anyway?


I am not into being part of a congregation, don't want to be part of the "flock" or so they say in the bible and stuff (was going to say shit but that just seemed wrong).

I think that thinking for yourself is the most important thing in the world and that organized relgion tends to try and make people into one big nondescript group.

I think it feeds on peoples fears and insecurities promising things that it cannot deliver or that you can find in yourself, and trys to lure them with a comfort and sense of safety that is not real. I feel that security comes from within and that you cannot find in a group, not AA, not a church, not Straight, not a cult..just my opinion...but remember I am jaded....

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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2004, 04:56:00 PM »
Kaydee, I used to think the same thing about God.  Until one day it just hit me.  Bad things happen because the Devil is as Bad -- as God is Good.  Is there a Hell?  Someplace the opposite of what most people believe Heaven to be?  I sure as hell (pardon the expression) hope so because what would be the point in any of us hoping we don't end up there?
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2004, 05:14:00 PM »
to quote Tom Robbins:

 "A longing for the Divine is intrinsic in homo sapiens. (For all we know, it is innate in squirrels, dandelions, and diamond rings, as well.) We approach the Divine by enlarging our souls and lighting up our brains. To expedite those two things may be the mission of our existence...

"...since religion bore false witness to the Divine, religion was blasphemy. And once it entered into its unholy alliancewith politics, it became the most dangerous and repressive force that the world has ever known."
     -Skinny Legs and All

I have to stay away from churches and all but the most loosely organized anarchistic groups because I am extremely prone to cult mentality (I imagine a lot of us are). I SO want someone to have the answer. And so I keep a healthy distance from anyone who claims to.

 That being said, churches can do good things and coming together to try and tap into what is beautiful and good in the world is certainly not inherently bad. To each their own, live and let live.

 Morli, your nephew and your family will be in my thoughts. I know how scary this is and am glad you are all pulling together, you need each other at times like this. Please keep us updated.

 Erin
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2004, 05:47:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-24 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Bad things happen because the Devil is as Bad -- as God is Good"


Actually, God is not quite as nice as the Devil.  God punishes you for behaving badly...  But the Devil doesn't punish you for behaving well.

Playing Devil's advocate ::hehehmm::,
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2004, 05:52:00 PM »
How does God punish?  If you believe in God and disobey any or all of the 10 Commandments? No, God does not punish.  That's why Jesus died for our sins.  

Other than that, I do not disagree. The Devil does not punish anybody for being good, except to make them even more baaaaaaaad.
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2004, 06:15:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-24 14:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How does God punish?  If you believe in God and disobey any or all of the 10 Commandments? No, God does not punish.  That's why Jesus died for our sins.


I was raised Catholic.  That should say it all, LOL.  According to Catholics, sinners go to Hell.  And everyone's a sinner.  So everyone's going to Hell.  What kind of loving, caring, forgiving, benevolent God is gonna let "His" creations go to Hell?  Sounds like punishment to me!

Some say we can be saved if we believe in God and repent our sins.  What if you're a stubborn Agnostic such as myself who simply cannot believe, or disbelieve for that matter, in something of which there is no proof (God)?  And/or what if you don't repent your sins?  I curse; I have sex; I have "desecrated the temple" of my body with drugs, alcohol, and tattoos; I don't "honor my father and my mother"; and I don't feel bad about any of these things.  According to Catholicism, I'm doomed to Hell.  More punishment!  Yay!

IMO, if there is a God, which I will never be convinced of, it didn't send any prophet down any mountain carrying any stone tablets telling people how to live their lives.  It also didn't have a son who was put through atrocities on mankind's behalf.

IMO, if there is a God, it is a silent, sentient force that does not judge, does not reward, does not punish, but simply...  just...  is.

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2004, 07:10:00 PM »
How about that modern day prophet Joseph Smith? The guy who supposedly found the gold plates, and had a epithany courtesy of the Angel Moroni leading him to conclude that Jesus made some kind of a pit stop in America ... blah, blah, blah. I mean, Mormonism has got to be the biggest con religion of the century.  Polygamy, sheesh, what man would not want plural wives (sex slaves)? What most people don't know is that the Mormon settlers were forced to give up Polygamy in order to *settle* peacefully in Utah.  Prior to that, practicing polygamists were viewed as good Mormons, recreating more Mormons faster than you could say HOLY MORONI.
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2004, 07:12:00 PM »
Oh yeah, Joseph Smith was a polygamist before he was murdered.  I believe he had more than 40 wives, possibly as many as 60, but I'd have to look the exact number up.
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2004, 07:21:00 PM »
I don't know about that anon's statement

"bad things happen becasue the devil is bad"


that is just not something I can really believe in I think that the urge to be good and bad is in everyone like John locke' state of nature.

I don't think any devil or God makes us or things happen that are good or bad.

I believe strongly that religion has always been a way to opress people, to keep them in their social station esp. earlier Christianity....leading peasents to believe it was gods will that they were not born of nobility and to stay there and not relvolt and that it was "evil" to questions God's wisdom.

Anytime anyone thinks they know what is right for you and the rest of the world and can with a few words say that half the people on the entire planet are going to hell because they do not believe in the same "man in the sky" as another group of people that also has to be wrong.

It just is not logical and it is not something I would want to be apart of if it were true. The God I would worship would love all people regardless of divorce, sexual orientation, or any of the other petty crap that gets you banned from the holy rollers club these days.

I'll skip the service, pass me the wine.

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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2004, 07:41:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-24 16:21:00, kaydeejaded wrote:

"Anytime anyone thinks they know what is right for you and the rest of the world and can with a few words say that half the people on the entire planet are going to hell because they do not believe in the same "man in the sky" as another group of people that also has to be wrong.
It just is not logical and it is not something I would want to be apart of if it were true."


I agree.  Most of what I know about religion (particularly Catholicism, but others too) is just not logical.  In addition to being illogical, religion is very often immoral -- look back through history at all the wars that have been waged, all the blood that has been spilled, all in the name of one religion or another, particularly Christianity.  The 6th Commandment ought to read "Thou shalt not murder unless you do so in My name."   ::cheers::
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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2004, 09:38:00 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2004, 09:48:00 PM »
There is no devil!! OMG we arent in the 16th century anymore.. MAN is the devil...
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2004, 10:37:00 PM »
So I see bud hit in the chest with a nasty ass wound : he's all fuckedup. I pack him off (burbling chest sucking wound). He's looking at me like I got time to stay. I stay long enuf to smile and move out and save my ass. He survived! Did I?
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2004, 11:12:00 PM »
Alex, you know that the bible was written prior to there being peasents....but it was used in that way to not question God's wisdom by having you born into the station that you were born into.

This was part of the early ideology around the time of the crusades. To try and raise ones station was viewed as a slight against God...

forgive me as I mingle history and theology here.

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