Author Topic: Whitmore Academy in Utah? (Read 92573 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #450 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:59:00 PM »

Every parent is entitled to periodic reports on their child's "progress" from Mark or Cheryl, NOT some made-up report by some other kid. We were told there were only 16 kids there. In fact, it's in our contract. But, in fact, there ended up being 40.

Anonymous · « **Reply #451 on:** February 16, 2005, 06:22:00 PM »

about the gang member...i went there and i have something to say.

first off you should never always assume that what someone is telling you is true, before you really know the facts.

during my stay there i knew and heard two boys that said they had gang problems back home. the kids and cheryl would often talk about their problems back home with gngs , in group that is, except with one qnd he was the one who supposedly killed someone. i won't say names. one of them left a couple of months ago and the other is still there and has been there for almost two years i think....

later in my stay, some girls there told me that one of them had actually killed someone in a gang fight. and then another girl also told me the same thing. i never confronted him, but have always wondered about that. I know the guy there, but to keep things calm , i shouldn't say his name.

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Anonymous · « **Reply #452 on:** February 16, 2005, 10:38:00 PM »

well i went there and i know who your talking about he was a good friend of mine and he didnt kill anyone he wasnt even in a gang. you dont have to believe me but the gang member killing spree isnt true and the girls there probably lied to you just to look cool. and what girls told you this? i know some kids there know gang members when they were home but who doesn't? a lot of kids these days know at least one or two depending where they are from. maybe the kid would talk about what he has witnessed it and was tramatized by it and needed someone to confide in about it. i know a few people he would talk to like Whalen and Annie but did he ever talk to you about it? please dont take offense to it. and when did you go there? i might know you.
~Whitmore Alumni

Anonymous · « **Reply #453 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:23:00 PM »

Your contract said there could only be 16 and there were 40 kids there? Well, my my....guess the Sudweeks are just miracle workers!!!

What two adults would even begin to think they could watch over 40 kids spread out over 3 living spaces....the mansion (yea, right a MANSION)..the boys house and now they have them sleeping at the school house.

What parent can even begin to imagine that any of those kids are being supervised?

It's simply "kids watching kids."

Anonymous · « **Reply #454 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:27:00 PM »

Alumni person--I beg your pardon. I don't know where you are from, but you mis-speak. Not every person knows a gang member or two.

Most people do not live in a world where they just happen to run into gang members in their everyday life.

Maybe since you are a graduate of Whitmore you will be able to better yourself and upgrade and move somewhere that is not infested with gang members.

Anonymous · « **Reply #455 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:31:00 PM »

It is simple. The contract reads that no students with a history of violence will be accepted at the Whitmore.

Not "just a little bit of violence," it says NO HISTORY OF VIOLENCE.

It is the Sudweeks' contract with the parents, and the Sudweeks need to live up to it.

Anonymous · « **Reply #456 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:38:00 PM »

Whitmore Alumni, why are you saying other kids names, Whalen & Annie yet you don't use your own name. Think that's fair?

Antigen · « **Reply #457 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:52:00 PM »

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On 2005-02-16 19:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

" you dont have to believe me but the gang member killing spree isnt true and the girls there probably lied to you just to look cool. and what girls told you this? i know some kids there know gang members when they were home but who doesn't?

This is an interesting point, Alum.

Kids do brag and tell big stories. Parents too, because they're scared; they don't know what's really going on and so they sometimes use their imaginations. But the worst part? The schoolpeople, the cops, the people who produce public service announcement and (especially) those who make their living selling 'cures' also play at building up these various scary specters.

I believe that some of the kids who wind up in these places have very real issues. And I see little evidence to suggest that those kids get often what they need. But most of these kids don't need anything close to the radical cures offered by the troubled parent industry.

I think the best thing to do is for everyone to just ignore the rediculous restrictions on communication. Talk to each other. Talk to your parents. Talk to your kids. You don't need permission in America to talk to whoever you want, far less to talk to your own friends and family. If the Sudweeks tell you different, show them a copy of the Bill of Rights and tell them to ehf off!

And, btw, since you've picked a name to sign your posts, why not register a username? It doesn't raise your liability at all. You don't even have to give valid information when you register. It only makes it easier for people to know who's saying what and protects you against anyone who may try to pretend to be you.

...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them...
-- George Mason

Whitmore Alumni · « **Reply #458 on:** February 17, 2005, 12:10:00 PM »

You guys probably dont know who Whalen and Annie are so it doesnt matter unless your have heard things about them.

I agree that kids go there because they have real issues. there is no dout in my mind. But the thing is why can't the parents just leave the whitmore alone and let them do there own thing. I'm angry at the parents because when i was a kid at the whitmore parents would stick their noses in everything and it got really annoying. Some parents that we would talk to were really cool they were understanding and didn't judge the other kids there. I do think communication is important but some parents would pressure their kids do be a better person and go to a totally different level than the one that they were woking on. This probably caused a lot of pressure and totally screws the kid up. It's annoying when parents tell us kids to follow the rules yet they don't themselves

Anonymous · « **Reply #459 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:28:00 PM »

Dear Alumni,
Parents will not and should not back off and let the "Sudweeks do their own thing."
That is why we signed contracts with them.
We have expectations that we pay for and that must be met.
There are rules that must be followed.
There are laws that the Sudweeks must not break.
There are educational, psychological, and moral standards that must be upheld.
Not one parent sent their child to Whitmore to abused in any manner--physically, emotionally, psychologically, or spiritually.

The Sudweeks have "done their own thing" way way too long.

It was and is wrong.
It must stop now.

Whitmore Alumni · « **Reply #460 on:** February 17, 2005, 04:29:00 PM »

get this straight. THERE IS NO PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL AND OR PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE DONE TO ANYONE OF YOUR KIDS THERE. Have you been there? If you have... have you witnessed anything that has happened? I highly dout it. have you seen bruises and marks or anything like that on your child? I bet you guys have watched the movies on the website when it was up and running. didnt you see all the great things your child has experienced? didnt you see the smiles on their faces? I said a little futher back on a different reply that ther was 40 kids. When i went there and it was the end of my time there were. there are probably about 18 kids there now. And yes, parents do break the rules. when you have once a week to talk to your children its supposed to be 10 minutes no longer no shorter. What my point is, is that when your child talks to you and your 10 minutes is up you know you dont want to get off the phone with them so you put them on a guilt trip and then they say on a little longer. Whats happens next? they get into trouble because its not fair to the rest of the kids. and it isn't . and i will state one more time that there is no abuse going on there this program actually helps. it has helped me and a couple other kids like aaron, rob, jordan, whalen, brandon and a lot of other kids.

email: cbnri4lyph@hotmail.com

Anonymous · « **Reply #461 on:** February 18, 2005, 03:46:00 PM »

Alumni, you don't consider it abusive to have a student's personal emails, letters and journals read aloud in GROUP for the purpose of having Cheryl Sudweeks to humilate and demean that student?

You don't consider it abusive to have Cheryl Sudweeks to tell a student in group that a student's parents do not love them, do not want them and do not care about them?

You don't consider it abusive when Cheryl Sudweeks gives the order "Get him out of here," and several boys take one student outside and begin beating the heck out of him as the rest of the students watch out the windows?

Guess you come from some really really bad backgroung if you can just write these examples off as NON-ABUSIVE.

Cheryl Sudweeks is not a therapist, and is not qualified to lead a group session. Her methods of doing so are emotionally, psychologically, and even at times, physically abusive.

Parents do have the RIGHT to be involved, and to ask questions, and to intervene. Parents have a contract with the Sudweeks that should assure that no abuse goes on period. But the Sudweeks do not honor their end of the contract...they think they can do as they please, as abusive as it may be.

But many parents have said--ENOUGH. This must stop.

Anonymous · « **Reply #462 on:** February 18, 2005, 03:50:00 PM »

What's with the number count at Whitmore?

One post there are 40 students.

Next post there are 16 students.
Then there are 18 students.

What's the deal?
Someone better come up with an accurate count out there.

What if there are students just not accounted for? That sounds sort of scary to me.

Anonymous · « **Reply #463 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:01:00 PM »

I echo your thoughts exactly. My daughter will come home after over a year in the Spring. I am and will be thankful everyday for the change. She was on a downward spiral and abusive to herself and her family.
The Whitmore has been our saving grace. As bad as things were, I can't expect any completely positive, happy clappy situation to have turned her around. She so needed a wake up call in a huge way. Now her huge potential can be realized. If one hasn't walked in those exact shoes, one can never know.

Anonymous · « **Reply #464 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:52:00 AM »

I don't understand: What "thoughts are you echoing?"

When did you last visit your daughter at Whitmore?

What real changes have you seen in her.

These parents posting are saying they too thought their sons daughters were better. But once they were home awhile, they began telling the parents what actually went on at Whitmore, and the stories are far from pretty.

Many of these parents discovered the school credits are useless, and their child had to take the GED or make up a whole year of "missed school."

Some students are in therapy to deal with the guilt of mistreating fellow students, or to deal with their own personal abuse.

Some are saying the problems they sent their child to Whitmore to be addressed has only been magnified if not extended.

Good luck---I hope you are right.

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