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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2004, 07:34:00 PM »
On this we can agree; as a favorite family counselor of mine has said; Parenting isn't for Cowards.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2004, 08:09:00 PM »
I am not unsympethetic for any parent dealing with one of these children.  I can't say that I would have been all that successful if I had one.  I have two wonderful children in their early twenties who are married with their own homes and positive plans for their future.  (I did something right.)  However, I know of families torn apart because of children who are "wired differently".  If you aren't financially able to get support, you are on your own.  Additionally, parents are generally limited in their parenting skills because of their own upbringing.  It's really an epidemic.

However, it will not service any of us to live in denial.  It's not about fault; it's about solutions.   We must take responsibility for our own children.  It's okay to say you need help, but I think the cowards are the parents who send their children away in order to avoid taking the real responsibility.  These schools feed off parents who want to feel good about themselves at the expense of their own children.  The premise behind these behavior programs is that the child is broken.  I find it ironic that parents with the most to offer their children in the way of education, culture, and experience are being taken by these programs that in turn inflict deep, emotional injury to their children.  

I know there are a lot of parents who are in crisis.  The pain will get to the point that you will send  your child away.  Don't forget, you need as much help as your child.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2004, 09:18:00 AM »
fuck you previous anon - you don't know shit.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2004, 03:44:00 PM »
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On 2004-01-29 15:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Always, no sometimes, I think it?s me, but you know I know when it?s a dream.

I think I know I mean a ?yes? but it?s all wrong,

that is I think I disagree.





There is such a thing as a strong willed child - who is just 'that way'.

They are so from the day their born, and they remain so all threwout life.

They are natural born leaders and the folks who get the impossible accomplished. But they also drive perfectly good parents up a wall.

Bundle this strong will with complicating factors such as a mental illness or proclivity for addiction; and you have every parent?s nightmare; and its no ones fault.

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Oh, please!  I *am* a natural leader with a major mental illness (treated, thank you).  Yeah, the mental illness was challenging to my parents, but that didn't put me in a position of controlling them.

I repeat, you don't get a *controlling* child unless one of the parents or guardians is either a control freak *or* a doormat.

Controlling behavior is neither linked to leadership/alpha status, nor to mental illness.

If anything, control freaks, and doormats, are more likely to be beta types---alphas (leaders) tend to have more self-confidence than that.

And being a control freak is not an identifying symptom of *any* of the major mental illnesses.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2004, 04:52:00 PM »
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"There is a point where children are children and must be made to do the right thing.  If a child rebels, then the parents should give it back, ten-fold, as the bible says."



 Fuck the bible... :wave:
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2004, 08:44:00 PM »
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The premise behind these behavior programs is that the child is broken.  I find it ironic that parents with the most to offer their children in the way of education, culture, and experience are being taken by these programs that in turn inflict deep, emotional injury to their children.  


Maybe I'm too "lightweight" on this philosophical thread.  But we need to recognize the reason that many (or most) of these kids are  being sent to WWASPS is not because the parents really are out of options and think that the promises of glossy marketing will HELP their children.  My experience (personal as well as talking with literally a hundred or more survivor kids) is that being sent away is:  1) a punishment for disrupting the parents' life, 2) to remove the kid from the parents' immediate environment, a "breather" for parents, so-to-speak, and - BIG REASON HERE - at the request/insistence of a new step-mother or step-father who has found a solution to having a new spouse without the "under-age baggage". There is a disportionate number of kids coming from newly-remarried homes...not just divorced homes, but *recently* remarried homes.  I have been told that 20% of the kids are adopted (I think this was in Tranquility Bay Jay Kay's statements to the London Guardian).  Hmmm...adoptions don't usually come with money-back guarantees, but WWASPS will offer to "fine tune" that cute little bundle you bought in Korea or Guatemala or Russia, and who unfortunately turned out to be a normal American teenager.      

There will be a howling from WWASPS parents in response to such an idea, but then they have a pressing desperate need for validation for what they've done..."for his own good" because otherwise "the kid would be dead or in jail".  This is reinforced in the cult behavior of the support groups, lock-step thinking with no allowance for "out of the box" ideas, secret  language, secret seminars, secret code words to hide from the rest of the world that one has given over total control of a child...communication, discipline, intellect and independent thought..to people with no ability except their own proclamations and the passionate promotion by parents with a similar need for validation.  

These places are not boarding schools (a somewhat posh idea that plays well with the folks back home).  No parent will tell the left-behind friends, neighbors, clergy, teachers, or even law enforcement that they shipped their kids off with carte blanche to a group without credentials who promise to return a "fixed kid" if given enough time and money, if only parents allow the kid to be apart from the rest of the world as long as the cashier says it is necessary.  

So much information is available on the Internet about WWASPS...mostly negative, from forums like this, to the record of facilities' forced closures, to requests for Congressional investigation, to really weird and parrot-like forum ravings from WWASPS parents about benefits. What on earth would persuade a parent to ignore all this information, and send their kid off to a Stranger With a Bad Reputation?  As Anon said eloquently...when your group thinks it's OK, but the rest of the world says it's not, how can you ignore that?  I've heard several times about parents setting up a code word with their kid, so that kid can pass it back to the parent if things are really bad.  Jesus!!!!  Why send him if you think it's that bad? The only reason I can imagine is...well, see #1, #2, and #3 above.
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2004, 09:43:00 PM »
It's all so pathetic, hauling kids off in the middle of the night (while Mom cries softly in the background and Dad says "we're doing this because we love you, son" or "trust me, son, someday you'll thank us for doing this".  Where do these parents get off blaming their kids for their bad parenting skills?  Worse yet, what kind of a parent spends $40-60k to turn their teenager into a human GUMBY (ultra-compliant)?  

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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2004, 04:35:00 PM »
Nobody wants to believe that parents can detach from their child.  Well it's easier than you think when parents generally don't know how to attach properly in the first place.  

We know we  live in a throw away society.  We toss relationships aside like yesterdays old bread.  As I have said before,  we need to take the veils off - say it like it is.  Holding on to false beliefs will not get us where we want to be.  

What is the most under-valued resource in American society?  CHILDREN!  Say it like it is- Americans value consumption not people, expecially not young people.  The baby-boomers will continue to drain this country, and the world, of all its resources leaving nothing for the children.  They will get their drugs, which they will need them to heal their sick bodies from the over- consumption of food and drink and to heal their sick souls from the pain and guilt over their disfunctional lives.  Children, on the other hand, will be denied.  Does anyone see any of the $100 trillian+ in debt going to our children or their future?  

So what can a young person do?  I can only think of one thing.  Rise above!  Unite as a group and rise above the parents who would rather send you away than grow with you.  Your future is at stake.  Your parents and grandparents are about to take this country to its knees.  You can blame them, resent them, and disrespect them, but to get what you need, you must be smarter than they are.
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2004, 09:39:00 PM »
With just a touch of my burning hand
I?m gonna live my life to to destroy your world
Prime directive, exterminate
The whole fuckin? race

Then your face drops in a pile of flesh
And then your heart, heart pounds
And it pumps in death
Prime directive, exterminate
The whole fuckin? place well

All I wanted to say
And all I gotta do
Who?d I do this for
Hey, me or you

And all I wanted to say
And all I gotta do
Who?d I do this for
Hey, me or you
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2004, 04:54:00 PM »
CHARMING
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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2004, 05:19:00 PM »
Thank you, I rahwther thought so..  :grin:
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2004, 12:03:00 AM »
:smokin:
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2004, 01:26:00 AM »
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"Iwill do what ever necearry to make them do as I wish."


You cant even spell you dumb fuck
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2004, 01:32:00 AM »
"Cradle"

Breathe...
Push...
...I lost you, you were my god thought what do I do now
you were never there for me never there to carry me,
26 years looking back that time is gone it was you I believed in look
what you've done to me realize what you've done to

Me

I can't see going on in this darkness I'm blind beneath my cradle the
bough has broke, I exorcise my loss your lie the punishment

It takes time to try to mend the wounds of all the suffering,
What do I do now all I'm asking from you please send me a sign to
guide me through the times that lie in front of me I'll get by
myself

Look at me now, a piece of shit like you.
Look at me now, you left me so fuck you.

Everybody leaves me, everybody's gone.
Watch my father leave me, there's nobody left.
Feels like I've never been loved.
Everybody leaves me, never gave a shit about me.
Everybody's gone, I'll rot in my head alone.
I don't give a fuck about you, go the fuck away .

Fake being, inside of my heart you are the liar.
Innocence displaced.
Been left.

Here I stand now and I'm alone,
With no one to comfort me.
One set of footprints in the sand.
No one to take my hand, I'll .
I'll walk through as long as I need.
I'll drift through my life though I'm alone.
Outgrown the cradle that once housed me
And I've found that all I need is
Me.

Found I've never needed you to push through
All the shit that stacks up inside of my life.
Endless plight that circulates through my body.
I'll keep stumbling, beating, pummeling
Teething on the rind and renounce my being.

I can't see going on.

I can't see
I'm so tired, of trying to mend the wounds of all my suffering.
What do I do now?
All I'm asking from you please,
Send me a sign
To guide me through the times that lie in front of me.
I'll get by myself

I can't see going on fuck it.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2004, 01:33:00 AM »
Just remember its that Teenager thats gonna take care of you when you are 90 so be nice  :wave:
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