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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2004, 11:56:00 AM »
You never noticed the abuse for two reasons. 1) it's covered up really good. 2) you're brainwashed. You've been through a BM program yourself, and you probably feel that you must find some justification to what you've been through. So, just like many other "graduates", you deny these things take place despite the evidence.

I pity you, and I hope that for the sake of the children you're abducting that you'll snap out of it soon.
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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2004, 12:25:00 PM »
I went to a theraputic barding school, not a behavioral mod school. I only went to that school for 8 months and did not graduate any program Went back to my public high for 11th and 12th where i graduated.I screwed up some more from 18-21 and then i got my act together and went and got a youth counseling degree. I have not been brainwashed by any school or program. As I said I and my company are allot different than any other transport companies.
I don't believe any abuse is going on, maybe some rough out of control kids have to be restrained and that sometimes gets pretty rough and a kid can get hurt, but not because anyone just decided to jump on some kid.We had times when we had to restrain kids at my boarding school also and everytime it was because the kid was out of control. By the way I was at my school in 1981-82 along time ago. The one that cares.
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« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2004, 12:35:00 PM »
As far as I know transporters only escort about 50% of the kids. Allot of them lie to the kids about where they are going. The reason the other parents can;t do it is not because of guilt, but because it is either phsically or mentaly to rough on them  to drive 6-8 hours with your kid screaming and crying and begging you that he or she will now listen and be good.These kids can't manipulate us. And I do agree that every parent should go visit and really investigate any school they want to send thier kid to.It is also a very difficult decision for these parent to give thier baby to 2 strangers to take them far away to a school where they understand that they will only be able to communicate by mail, until the child gets to a certain level. So the parents know about not speaking to thier kids for a few months. I know this explanation does not mean anything to you, but just thought i would share why we are needed for some parents.
 Tha one that cares
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2004, 12:37:00 PM »
"Out of control" = dared to defend themselves.

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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2004, 12:37:00 PM »
correction from last. Allot of the parents lie to them about where they are going not the transporters, at least not ours.
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2004, 12:41:00 PM »
so much for your "NO" abuse theory..."happy transporter".  If you were any count...here's another 550 plus students to abuse...i mean transport this weekend!!!  why aren't YOU there?









Baja raids shut boarding schools for U.S. teens
>
> By Sandra Dibble and Anna Cearley
> UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS
> September 11, 2004
>
> ENSENADA - Hundreds of U.S. teens enrolled in private rehabilitation
centers were being sent home yesterday after Mexican health and immigration authorities shut down three Baja California facilities.
>
> The largest group of students, 536, had been enrolled in a boarding
program at Casa by the Sea outside Ensenada. A group of 20 had been living at Casa La Esperanza in Ensenada, and a third group of 26 students was enrolled at Genesis south of Rosarito Beach.
>
> Reports of foreigners and complaints that minors were being mistreated
> led
to the raids, according to a statement late yesterday by Mexico's National Migration Institute.
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> The schools' behavior modification programs are aimed at youths with
> drug
dependency and behavior problems. Parents commonly use them as a last resort. The schools have been accused of moving abroad to avoid scrutiny of U.S. government authorities for their controversial methods.
>
> At Casa by the Sea, four residents showed signs of physical and
> emotional
mistreatment, including one from El Salvador, the Mexican immigration statement said.
>
> At Genesis, youths told immigration authorities that they were
> physically
and emotionally mistreated, the statement said, without offering details.
>
> The director of Casa La Esperanza was expelled for conducting
> activities
not authorized by his tourist visa. But the statement otherwise avoided legal terms such as "expulsion" or "deportation."
>
> The 20 minors at Casa La Esperanza had "irregular" migratory
documentation, and along with one adult were turned over to U.S. immigration officials at the San Ysidro crossing, the statement said.
>
> The minors from Genesis also were turned in at the border.
>
> Some residents of Casa by the Sea were allowed to leave with their
parents. But hundreds of others remained at the facility until family members could be contacted.
>
> The U.S. Consulate in Tijuana sent staff members to the three centers
"making sure everything is done in accordance with Mexican law," said spokeswoman Liza Davis. "If kids need to be repatriated to the U.S., we're getting in touch with their families and facilitating that process."
>
> Luz Ramos, the coordinator of medical services at Casa by the Sea,
> said
late yesterday that government officials had regularly inspected the center.
>
> "We are regulated, we have the best in services. . . . This is a total
surprise."
>
> Staff members at the other two centers could not be reached.
>
> At Casa by the Sea, confused and worried parents showed up throughout
> the
day at the unmarked and walled compound just north of Ensenada, asking state police to allow them inside.
>
> Several parents and a student interviewed outside the center said they
> had
no complaints.
>
> Carol Rivardi of Orange County had been waiting since the morning to
> see
her 16-year-old daughter. "The staff is absolutely phenomenal. My daughter's behavior has totally changed," she said.
>
> Larry Horn of Agoura Hills said his 15-year-old son had problems with
drugs, alcohol, bad grades and disrespect to his parents. "We tried rehab for six weeks, but these kids need a lot more than that," he said.
>
> Casa by the Sea bills itself as a "specialty program for teens . . .
> who
are struggling in their home, school or community."
>
> The cost is $70 per day, according to its Web site.
>
> Relatives unable to contact the centers for information about family
members should call the U.S. Consulate's San Diego number at (619) 692-2154.
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2004, 01:47:00 PM »
I'm glad that article also stated the other side.
I will probbably be involved in some way with the transfer of students from there. there must be some explanation why only 4 showed signs of abuse out of 536. Maybe they were already screwed up pretty bad and they are in the wrong type of school thus making it worse. Again these schools are not good for everyone and parents should find out just how strict the program is before sending thier kid there. My job is not always a happy one and most of the time does not start out that way. But to see how I can turn kids attitudes around before we arrive at the school has been very rewarding and most of the kids i drop at these schools do well.
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2004, 01:59:00 PM »
that's four more than should have been abused...then again it's 1%...we are not speaking of the mortality rate...we are speaking of abuse...one should be too many in anyone's book

one of those four could have been YOU a few years back?  ever see it that way...then what would "YOUR" response be!!!  oh calm one of the transport industry! :nworthy:
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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2004, 02:03:00 PM »
TBS, RTC, BMS, Wilderness, Boot Camp.... They all have the same MO- more alike than different. They employ behavior modification techniques that are highly controversial and experimental. And restrict contact with parents, illegal. A child has the right to speak to their parents even if the parents can't handle it. Every other form of institution in society provides access to a public phone. Parents can't deal, they can always hang up, instead of being recued from their 'lying, manipulating, defiant kid' by program staff. How weak.

The overwhelming majority of teens, as yourself, 'get their act together', without being incarcerated and abused. You're a testiment to that.

Abuse is ocurring. Close your eyes to it if you must, but you can not make that blanket statement. There are too many people here sharing the specific ways they were abused. There is obviously a difference of opinion on what constitutes abuse. I would not send you to a program to investigate for abuse. You are wearing blinders and are not objective or impartial. You have a vested/conflicted interest.
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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2004, 02:05:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-11 10:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"My job is not always a happy one and most of the time does not start out that way. But to see how I can turn kids attitudes around before we arrive at the school has been very rewarding and most of the kids i drop at these schools do well."


now YOU are playing the "shrink"...then the "most" of the kids do well comment!!!  how many don't?  how many do YOU personally follow up on?  if not then...who tells YOU these kids are doing "well"?
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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2004, 02:08:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-11 10:47:00, Anonymous wrote:


"My job is not always a happy one and most of the time does not start out that way. But to see how I can turn kids attitudes around before we arrive at the school has been very rewarding and most of the kids i drop at these schools do well."




now YOU are playing the "shrink"...then the "most" of the kids do well comment!!!  how many don't?  how many do YOU personally follow up on?  if not then...who tells YOU these kids are doing "well"?"


The program staff tells him that, of course. And, as we all know, everything they say is true and honest.

I stand by my opinion that you are not able to tell a treatment method is abusive, since you have been programmed (or you programmed yourself) to treat any abusive tactic as part of the 'treatment' the children "require".
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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2004, 02:11:00 PM »
for all WE (your self included) know the other 532 students had just arrived & not been issued their abuse packages yet!
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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2004, 02:36:00 PM »
As I said before, the signs of abuse are not always visable. I imagine that the initial investigation found only 4 with signs of 'physical' abuse.

Kids go to 'school' to learn, to be educated.
Kids go to programs to have their behavior modified, and might get educated in the process, if they are lucky.

Program does not = school. It's deceptive, in the least, to refer to them as such.

How do you turn their attitude around? I'm wondering if this has anything to do with convincing the kid that he can go peaceably or forcefully. Have you really turned their attitude around, or scared the shit out of them?
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2004, 02:59:00 PM »
Ya the other 532 just showed up yesterday, and what about the kids and parents outside praising the staff. I turn the kids attitude from being really pissed off and upset to the best state of mind possible when we arrive. I did not say it had anything to do with how I take the kids from thier house. I have even had some kids give me hugs goodbye, all but a few have shaken my hand goodbye. I know how most of them do becasue i do ask and also see allot of them when i drop off another kid and as i've said they are usually happy to see me and say hi. They do not have to do that and are not being told to because most of the staff don't remember who brought that particular kid there. The one that cares
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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2004, 03:22:00 PM »
Great technique- Good Guy/ Bad Guy. You're soft on them while transporting them to abusers. Perhaps in contrast to the abuse they are enduring at the program, the face of the escort who cares is more welcomed - the lessor of two evils. When one is deprived of all social/ cultural contact, I can see where the smallest contact or attention with someone from the outside might be momentarily uplifting.

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