Simpleton- Voice of the Teen Suppression Market

[Kiwi]

On 2004-09-09 06:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have read that link by that obviously unstable mother, who can't cope with the fact she was just as much as fault for her kids problems as her child was."

Did I miss something?  Who, on this thread, are you calling an unstable mother?  Ginger?  Deborah?

[Nihilanthic]

Hey smartass I'm not a parent nor was I ever put into such a place. OOPS!

I'm a 19 year old activist who caught wind of this and felt like doing something to help. Oh, and a male. Guess your arguement falls flat on its face, doesn't it? And its SUCH a shame I'm too old to be kidnapped by the likes of you, thrown into some behavior modification center and 'fixed' until I believe its okay ^_~

Oh, and you STILL won't answer my questions in the post. Stop avoiding it and answer it. Well...

You DID say this: "I'm sorry i don'see any abuse happening at the schools i go to."

Boo hoo? You either aren't looking, don't see it for what it is, or they're *ding* not letting you see it! You apparently just ignored all I had to say and didn't even look at the two videos I so conveniently linked for you. You block this shit out to make yourself feel better and just ignore even the very possibility of abuse. I feel like I'm talking to a rock. You think about as critically as one and are about as perceptive.

Just keep saying everything is okay and in your mind it will be! Just ignore all the abused kids that come here to post, we're ALL lying  :grin: yup every single one of us. Isn't it amazing? 20+ years, thousands of voices crying out over a whole continent and we're *ALL* lying! Gee golly willickers!

[Devlin]

On 2004-09-09 06:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"As for Devlin, I've heard your rantings before and even if they could sue me, which they can't. I have maybe 2 thousand dollars to my name. I'm afraid most of us escorts are not making as much as u think, Sure the companies are, but the individual escorts maybe make after working 17-20 hours and in some cases driving 1000 miles in that time frame $10 an hour. Which is not making me rich i amd lucky if i work 2 times a week. So, so much for your jackpot. Can't take $$ that is not there.I don't do this for the money. I'm sorry i don'see any abuse happening at the schools i go to. The one that cares."

so what about money, its about justice!!! you only have a few thousand to your name. i quess you will be paying all your life!

As far as they cant sue you, where u get that idea? Rember this is america! Anyone can sue anybody over Anything! As long as they are old enought to sue (18). So keep on kidnapping for a living and keep on playing the escort lawsuit lottery. Just keep this in the back of your mind the next time you kidnapp someone... Maybee when they  turn 18 they will sue me for me kidnapping them!

[Nihilanthic]

Okay, so you aren't making a lot of money. My mistake.

You still totally refuse to open your mind and THINK about anything. You just dismiss it away as if we're unstable or just mad at the program.

Open your eyes, PLEASE.

[Anonymous]

Actually, even if you have no money you can be sued and they can get a judgement against you and apply it as a lien against your future earnings.  One way to collect a judgement is to garnish the wages of the person the judgement is against.

So even if you make very little money, you have something to lose, because they could garnish your wages for the rest of your life.

Your business is pretty high risk of getting sued someday and losing.  And you don't make enough to carry liability insurance.  The smart thing to do would be to find a different job and let the parents  take a couple of days off work and take their own kid to school.  They're going to lock the kid up for a year or more and they can't even take a couple of *days* to take him there themselves?  Please.

I'm a parent.  If *my* child needed to go in the hospital or other residential treatment, you can sure as hell bet that her daddy or I would take the time and effort to take her there ourselves.  We would *make* time.  That's what you do if you're a responsible parent.  You make time for your kids, especially for big things like being in a hospital or RTC.  Or dance recitals or ball games, for that matter.

If these parents won't make time to take their kid to the hospital or RTC themselves, they're some *cold* sumbitches, and that explains all by itself why their kids are having problems.

Timoclea

[Devlin]

On 2004-09-09 20:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Actually, even if you have no money you can be sued and they can get a judgement against you and apply it as a lien against your future earnings.  One way to collect a judgement is to garnish the wages of the person the judgement is against.



So even if you make very little money, you have something to lose, because they could garnish your wages for the rest of your life.



Your business is pretty high risk of getting sued someday and losing.  And you don't make enough to carry liability insurance.  The smart thing to do would be to find a different job!

I want to add to this also if you loose you can loose your house, car, life savings, anything eslse of value you have as well. All the lawyers have to do is tell your locasl sheffif to come take anything you have of value and then sell it it public aution and then that money goes to the person who sued you and won.

You are in a very high risk buiness of being sued!!! I know because the group i work with would love to make the escorts pay dearly... Also the lawyer just drules over the chance to sue escorts!!!

[cherish wisdom]

Therapists are now recomending RTF all of the time for teens.  They also recomend transport services for parents. Many of the parents who choose RTF's for their children do so out of desparation and at the advise of a therapist or other professional.  Most have no idea how brutal these programs are. Nor do they no how brutal the transport can be.  Many just don't have the time and few do the necessary research prior to taking very desparate measures.  

When we contemplate the whole globe as one great dewdrop, striped and dotted with continents and islands, flying through space with all other stars all singing and shining together as one, the whole universe appears as an infinite storm of beauty.
-- John Muir

[Nihilanthic]

Well gee, if they all BELIEVE its okay why would they tell the parent?

[Anonymous]

hi devlin, my company acually has in our contract with the parents a stipulation saying if for ANY REASON a suit or a judgement against the company or it's agents the parents who signed the contract will be finacially responsible for any judgements passed against us.We also have never been sued or even close.I would imagine that the other compaines have a similar clause. So if I do evr get sued, which I highly doubt because most of the kids actually like me by the time i get them to the school, and many times I have took tours and seen kids that i have transpoted and recieve smiles and hi's and hey remmeber me, you were my transpoter.
And don't tell me they are being made to say hi to me and smile, because they have no idea i am there till they see me. Again I care and always will. I think the kids see that. Of course i don't get to all the kids and some probbably do hate me, but if they want to sue and they somehow won, thier parents will pay, not me.
Also No house, no car, no property. Very little money. The One That Cares

[Devlin]

i have read a contract like you are talking about, so has the lawyers. They tell me you will be held resonsable at first. The lawyers can collect from you! Then due to your contract it us up to you to go after the parents for reinubsment for what you paid out in the suit. So in short you will be gone after and you will be made to pay. It then is up to you and your lawyers to hold the parents to their contract and collect the money. If for some reason the parents are fighting paying you that is none of our concern. You will be held accountable and then it is up to you to collect on your contact.

One footnote the parents should be held accountable. As should you and the program. If you abused the kid durning transport or lied about the contact in any way it will be void in court and then you have no such contract to protect you.

Just face the facts you are in a bad buisness. You are in very much at risk for lawsuits, ya your contract helps protect you. But that wont stop the collecters from coming after you or your company.

[Antigen]

No, it's probably not the money. Seems all cults are most adept at funneling all the money into the few hands that actually pull some strings.

Know what I think? It's that these people are so thoroughly washed that there is no place for them in the real world. For whatever reasons, they can't or don't want to be directly involved. But they can't make it on their own completely ousisde of the cult, either. It's a niche.

In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws.  But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
--Martin Luther King

[Anonymous]

As i have said i have never abused a kid and 98% of the time don't use cuffs, And if i am not cuffing the kid and he or she comes willingly, then there is no chance of a case. Cuffing in some states is borderline on the law, but only soem states. Again I have never abused any kid.
The one that cares

[Anonymous]

You abuse these kids by kidnapping them and transporting them to the gulags.

[Anonymous]

I am doing a service for the parents who can not take thier own child to the school. I treat the kids with as much respect as they give me. If they do good in theses schools the only tough thing will be for the kid to follow a strict structure. No abuse that i have seen and have taken many tours of schools and always see a very stict enviorment and that's all. Sorry.
         The one that cares and does not abuse

[Anonymous]

The question is: Why parents can pay $2000 to have their child delivered but can't take them? Might it have something to do with guilt?

They hire a total stranger to handle the transport and abdicate responsiblity to total strangers they know nothing about. I think it's safe to say that the majority don't even know what BM techniques will be used- didn't bother to ask. The policy of restricting contact with parents is considered unlawful, and to use this as punishment or 'motivation' is considered abuse and a violation of most state laws. Just so happens that the guilt ridden parents collude with it because they are too weak to listen to their child's complaints.

Abuse has many forms, and is not always visible.