Simpleton- Voice of the Teen Suppression Market

[Deborah]

Found this in a search. Great humor.

The Voice of the Teen Suppression Market Since 1979
http://www.simpleton.com/19980306.html

March 6, 1998
Escorts Cheer CA Decision
Promise more efficient transportings
Transport service spokespeople are celebrating this week's decision by an Oakland, California court upholding parental seizure orders - a decision which, they say, will encourage more parents to step forward and allow their children to be incarcerated.

"This is a definite plus for the entire industry," says Tony Ace, an official at HotLink Transport Services. "Up until now, there was a lot of concern that this might lead to a decline in interest in locking up independent-minded teens. This is the kind of decision that might have really cast a chill over the industry, so we're all lucky it turned out this way."

Escorts are hoping restrictions on use of force can be modified following the decision.

The next step, say industry representatives, is to lobby for less restrictive rules on use of force in subduing smart-alecky adolescents.

"People refuse to understand the need for excessive force," says one transport professional. "They think just because you're surprising the kid in his bed, or because the kid is a wiseass poetic type rather than your stereotypical troublemaker, that it's going to be easy cuffing him. They don't understand that you're sending a signal to the child. That first chokehold really establishes the relationship in terms of who's in charge."

"Many parents are concerned when we come to grab their kids out of their beds, because some of these kids are really rebellious," agrees another industry source. "But if we're allowed to use effective means of neutralizing their freedom-loving teens without fear of legal action, they feel much more comfortable."

"But there's no such thing as a bad kid," he adds.

Industry officials also applauded the decision's potential for allowing a broader definition of Attention Deficit Disorder.

"There was a feeling that because this kid [in the Oakland case] did not take drugs or drink alcohol, was nonviolent, and was never arrested, that he might be a poor candidate for incarceration," says Hotlinks' Ace. "But with the ADD diagnosis, the parents were able to demonstrate that he was a potential problem, and take preventive action, which is something the industry has been pushing hard for. If a kid is on the wrong track, if for example your teen shows signs of being homosexual or lesbian, the law has to allow you to take action before that becomes a problem. That's the real message of this decision."
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http://www.simpleton.com/19991110.html
While sources are quick to name pepper spray as the industry's suppression instrument of choice, many in the industry believe the long term trend is toward stun guns and electrified batons.

"With pepper, you really have to get the teen in the face, or it won't be very effective," says one transport professional. "Stun guns allow a variety of options, including the ability to hit the teen in the hands if he's taking a swing at you, or to go right for the genitals, which we've found is the fastest way to neutralize a problem."

Professionals at behavior modification camps, however, see the difference as one of price rather than effectiveness. "Once we have a teen cuffed, shackled and trussed, it's the same difference whether we use pepper or electricity. I'll choose whichever's more cost effective," a camp official said.
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Ladies Next: Rise in Girl Misbehavior Boon to Industry

"We've seen rapid growth in the incarceration of girls," says one industry official. "I'd be surprised if every one of the big players doesn't have a girls' camp somewhere outside the US within the next three years."
One camp that is making the most of this trend is Cross Creek Manor in LaVerkin, Utah.

This is a critical time for such treatments, says Burke Romano, a leading industry consultant.
"Studies have shown many of these girls are having sex before they're even out of high school," he notes. "So before they get too confused, we want to put them in an environment where the only males they'll see are strapping counsellors who can easily overpower them. It's important that they learn the physical distinctions - in terms of physical strength - between men and women. That's not always clear during adolescence."
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Chokehold Bill Advances
WASHINGTON, DC: Legislation allowing unlimited use of the knockout chokehold took another step forward this week as an industry representative provided demonstrations to several enthralled House Members. "Some of these kids are really on the wrong track, and being put in a coma might be just what they need," said Buzz Brinkley, just before showing how the technique works on several subjects. The Peaceful Environment for Teens bill (H.R. 90210) is expected to receive fast-track treatment this session. A similar bill has been introduced in the Senate.
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Afghanistan New Camp Hotspot?
KABUL: From Jamaica to Western Samoa, overseas locations have always attracted US behavior modification specialists with their progressive regulatory structures and openness to disciplinary measures. Now this Islamic republic hopes to join the club. Several US companies have expressed an interest in locating here, said a government spokesman, noting the country's acceptance of the need for advanced suppression techniques. "We don't support genital mutilation, for example," he said. "But we understand the need to use various tools in encouraging piety."

[Anonymous]

Let us remember; Many a Truth is spoken in Jest.

[Anonymous]

What a funny, sick, twisted sense of humor!

[Nihilanthic]

its funny cause its true

[Anonymous]

This will piss allot of you off, but I am a Teen Escort and before you say why am I on this board?
It is because i went to a boarding school at age 16 The Desisto School. Which is now closed.
My company are trained counslers, unlike many out there that are about just getting them there.
I try to get the child in the most positive state of mind possible by arrival to the school.
I do not use cuffs unless the child makes me and have never had any weapon on me in my hundreads of cases. 98 percent of the time the child comes wiillingly with me and my partner. Just some crying and screaming sometimes. I know it is strict and hard at these schools, but  i have also transfered kids from one school to another and have asked about how it was and never have i heard about abuse, or a child getting restrained that did not need to be for the saftey of the kid or others. I'm sorry that there are some escorts that just care about escorting and a paycheck, but I and my company are not like that.
Sorry if I don't identify myself or our company, but i don't think that would be wise.
Peace and Love, The one that cares.

[Anonymous]

"It is because i went to a boarding school at age 16 The Desisto School. Which is now closed."

Gee, wonder why's that...


"I do not use cuffs unless the child makes me"

Notice the logic used here, folks-- it's all the child's fault. This man being cruel and harmful is not because he's a child kidnapper, it's because the child "makes him do it". Reminds me of all those domestic abuse reports where the men say they didn't *want* to hit their wife nearly to death, she "made" them do it. Now that's a sound line of logic, ain't it?

"The one that cares"

Now that's just plain sad.

[Antigen]

On 2004-09-06 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

Sorry if I don't identify myself or our company, but i don't think that would be wise.

If what you say is true, then what's the problem w/ identifying yourself? How do you advertise your services w/o identifying yourself? How can you run a business anonymously? It doesn't make sense.

Know what I think? I think you're full of shit. That's not to say that you don't buy into your own bullshit, you probably do. But the fact remains that, if you think a kid (or anyone) has the power to make you put them in handcuffs, you're detached from reality. I'm 40 years old and have three kids and never, not even once in my whole life, has anyone made me put cuffs on them.

Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers

[Anonymous]

Ok, when one of these parents are ready to send thier kid to a school, it will not matter if she hires my company or not, to get them to the school. And unfortunatly that is what most of the transport company's are about, just getting them to the school. As I said we try to counsel the kids to try to get them in the best state of mind possible so they can try to turn thier life around. I say i only use cuffs if they make me, well once we are there the parents have signed a very legal document that gives us custody of the child until we hand them over to the school, i explain to the child the situaition and give them the chice to come willingly without cuffs and 98% of the time it goes that way. I know for a fact that allot of companys cuff the kids as policy, which is ridiculous. It is already the kids worst day of thier life having 2 strangers come to thier room and tell them they are going to a boarding school. Sure some parents are stricter than others and sometimes i don't think the kids needs to go to a boarding school, but that is not for me to decide. The fact remains that most of these kids are hurting inside from some terrible event in thier lives, and don't know why they are acting out and stoped listening to thier parents. Bottom line these kids are going to these schools regardless of which company takes them and I would rather it be me, who can relate to what they are going through. What should a parent do? Have thier child die or end up in jail? Oh and of course we have a web site and get plenty of referals, but that does not mean i need to advertise here, where there is no one looking for our services.
Oh and by the way when my mom told me she was sending me to boarding school in june after 9th grade, I ran away and she had no idea where i was for a week and that is why companies like mine that care are important. No parent should have to go through what mine did. Peace and Love, The one that cares.

[Nihilanthic]

Why on earth WOULD you ever even CONSIDER that abuse happens there? You'd lose your job and feel soooo bad about yourself.

Heard of Cognitive dissonance? Go ask an athiest about god, or a religious person about there not being a god. Watch what happens. Or a more lighthearted example would be Ford vs Chevy.

The fact that there are soooo many people through the past 20 years, seperated by thousands of miles giving the same kind of accusations means something, now doesn't it? The fact that places... HAVE closed down, and that there have been legal victories for those accusing abuse, means SOMETHING, doesn't it?

Oh, and regarding inter-school transporting... HELLO? Ever consider whey they need some goons-for-hire (such as yourself) to take them there? Why would they EVER tell you about abuse? Have you totally forgotten what happens to people who try to talk about abuse in those programs? How dense do you think we are? Who ARE you fooling, sir?

No kid restrained that did not need to be... Um, why the hell would they admit it to you? Or even if they did, would you REALLY care? This is your damn business and its nothing more than profiting off of suffering and fraud. Just because you succumbed for the indoctrination does not excuse you from hurting others. You were abused hurt humiliated and indoctrinated into this and your mind is too weak to pull itself out. You are a pathetic human being not only because you're WEAK, not only because you now profit from it, but because you spread this plague upon others.

If you did care and not use words like care and love in such a way that they use meaning (oh, oops, I forgot, you're from a program!) then you'd be skeptical and put these places under a pretty fine magnifying glass. They are TOTALLY cut off from what goes on, nobody knows what happens except when a P.I. investigates or a victim speaks out, and that very setting is what we seek to change. Make it so they can get on a phone and complain to all of gods green earth about what goes on. Plenty of legitimate treatment centers allow them to talk to whoever the hell they want. They let people see what goes on and run it transparently, as opposed to a secret enclave.

In the bad places they can't tell anyone what happens, they control communication, they sue people who speak out against them as fraud, make millions of dollars, and give campaign contributions to politicians. Having totally given themselves their own sealed off world to do whatever they want to do to these kids tehy can proceed to use pain, fear, suffering, intimidation, and brainwashing to make them into however they want them to be, including that what they did to them was okay.

Someone here said sunshine is the best disenfectant. If the children inside saw the light of day and had full communication to their parents, the authorities, whoever they want, and legal representation (like... I dunno, PRISONERS GET?) Then people like me wouldn't be so passionate about this.

But you, sir, would not want that. You want your paycheck and probably enjoy the power rush. Maybe you want to be the ones in control instead of the one controlled? Who knows. I'm not Hannibal Lectre, but you're just as bad. You and everyone else who has a part in this will get what is coming to them, maybe soon, maybe in a long time, but when this story gets out you WILL be held accountable for what you do, just like those kids in the program are.

We all know every single person talking about this abuse can't be lying. No way in hell can thousands over decades from all over north america be saying the SAME lie.  I doubt I could get you to read a testimony of a program victim, because its automatically untrue. Maybe you could read this, a 3rd party investigation into this.

http://www.askquestions.org/articles/teens/

I doubt you will but its worth a shot. Afterall, how could they or you do any wrong? You have ALL The answers and we're just recalcitrant children YOU have to beat to fix!

[Anonymous]

I have never beat a child or even hurt a child.
And just because there are some disgruntled kids and parents on this board. i want to know about the thousands of kids who are not complaining.
And even the ones i see on this board who say thier school sucked, but never saw abuse.
So all these kids should be allowed to run wild do what they want and possibly kill them selves or others or wnd up in jail. Is that what a parent of a troubled teen should do. I re-transported a kid who was taken out early by thier parent and was not ready to be home. The kid did not want to go at 1st, but as we pulled into the school 7 hours later the child started crying and i asked what was wrong, the child said they they were so happy to be back at the school. How is that possible if she was being abused? Just an example. I have no power complex, just a caring one. Your personel insults were not needed. I have a clear concience about what I do and it is very rewarding fo me. Regardless of what you think.
And your opinion means nothing to me because of the way you went about it.

[Devlin]

You want to enter the escort lawsuit lottery? After all you are a kidnapper!

It looks like we may already have out first winner of the escort lawsuit lottery. The first winner will get their prize soon! You may ask what they won? The lucky winner gets a big lawsuit for violating the kids civil rights in federal court worth many millions!

Keep on kidnapping and every kid you kidnap could be your lucky ticket in winning the Escort Lawsuit Lottery! You may ask how exactly you win the Escort Lawsuit Lottery? Well the kid you kidnapped turns 18 and decides to get justice and sue! You of course.... The Program... and anyone else connected to them going into the program.

You may say the parents wanted the kidnapping, of coarse you are right. But remember when the kid turns 18 they can sue you without their parents being a party to the case! Their parents can't stop them from suing you into bankruptcy. You still can say you have all the custody papers you want! That won't save you either, because the kid is suing you not the parents. The kid never wanted to be kidnapped and was not a party to the decision. In short nothing can save you from being sued.

I hope you win the escort lawsuit lottery so you can loose millions of dollars to the kid you kidnapped!

Oh by the way you think if won the escort lawsuit lottery you can just file bankruptcy to escape it? No such luck, because kidnapping a kid into a program is an intentional act. Bankruptcy does not protect you from intentional acts, as an intentional act cannot be discharged in bankrutcy cout. So if you don?t have millions of dollars you will be paying the rest of your life as the lucky winner of the escort lawsuit lottery.[ This Message was edited by: Devlin on 2004-09-08 21:28 ]

[Anonymous]

Wow, your reply seems to have been written with you having not read my post, or my link at all! Congratulations!

Am I saying a kid who is in need of help should not be helped? NO!

Let me reapeat that. NO. Thanks for listening.

Does a story of a kid from a type of place that is accused of indocrination and brainwashing being happy when she is brought back show she was not abused? No. Its actually pretty irrelevant, because while you might be correct, she could also just be succumbing to the brainwashing. But why would she need to be there to be happy? Its a treatment center. The point should be to get OUT, and be 'fixed' or 'healed' of whatever ailment she has as soon as possible and get on with her life, not stay there and join some kind of family. Making them NEED to be there smells like a cult.

Now, this right here.... "And just because there are some disgruntled kids and parents on this board. i want to know about the thousands of kids who are not complaining.
And even the ones i see on this board who say thier school sucked, but never saw abuse."

Most rapes go unreported. Does that mean you should not go after the ones that are? Or, there are LOTS of families out there, and most are good, we shouldn't go do anything against those accused of being bad, what about all the millions of kids who never complain? It doesn't make sense in that circumstance and it should not in a for-profit 'treatment' business, Either. They do not get special rules.

Abuse is abuse, ANYWHERE. You simply disregard the possibility of it existing. You just wave it away dismissively as them not liking a 'tough' or 'strict' program.

That, sir, is bullshit.

You saying you have no power complex or that you Do have a clear conscience and feel rewarded from doing it means nothing, no matter how you say it. And, I'm sure your reward is primarily financial. Whether you are simply blocking bad possibilites out or are somehow are omniscient and know the truth and we're all lied to, how you feel is the same. And it was never even about YOUR feelings anyway, its about serious problems with this INDUSTRY, this BUSINESS you make a buck off of that could very well be hurting CHILDREN. This is a serious thing and the LAST thing it needs is people like you slacking off or just being dismissive!

Anyway, you refuse to acknowledge the existance of abuse or the possiblity of it, and seem to IGNORE the whole point about making these businesses operate more transparently - so if abuse DOES happen they can communicate with the outside world, and prevent the businesses from cutting off child/parent TRUST and COMMUNICATION. These places ISOLATE the children from the LAW, REPRESENTATION, DOCTORS, their PARENTS, and from anything and anyone except the people operating the program. Their methods have been likened to brainwashing.

WHY do you IGNORE THAT? WHAT your answer? You ONLY have a clear conscience becuase you do not allow yourself to think that the bad stuff COULD happen, or DOES. Where is your skepticism? You totally ignore the possibility of anything happening except what they say and what you *WANT TO BELIEVE*.

Yeah, I was pretty bad about how I went about talking to you before, and I should not have done that. But surely you could understand how furious someone could be. Maybe you were simply indoctrinated into it and think emotional and psychological abuse, physical suffering, restraint, terror, and helplesness is 'good for them' and I am wasting my time. Or, maybe you can take a step back, think about what me, and THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE have to say, look at it critically and with skepticism, and wonder why people get so worked up at you!

You are in a position to do a lot of good. Not just make yourself feel good, pat yourself on the back, and get a payment for taking a kid to some place where few really know whats going on. If someone like you started getting skeptical it would be very good and do one of two things. 1. Exonerate those programs, and everyone who was abused IS a fluke or a lie, or 2. uncover what is going on and if it IS bad fix it.

Maybe you weren't abused, maybe you were and think its okay. But I have talked to *SO* many people who were, or whose kids were there, and they were not all lying to me, the tears in their eyes, and in my eyes for the past 6 months because of this issue are not just because I'm disgruntled, its becasue I know so many people are suffering beyond words and I can only do so much about it. Of COURSE I would be mad at YOU for taking them there and not giving it another thought, and then profitting from it. You're the last link in the chian before they're locked up, and put in a place where if they are abused they have NO WAY TO TELL ANYONE. If they get out and talk about it the parent will likely throw them back in the program. I do know a few who have convinced their parents, but part of it is PARENTAL indoctrination.

Here, I'll link to it. Promise me you will read ALL OF IT. Yeah its long, but its worth the read. http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com/Tee ... eaking.htm That is something someone in your position HAS TO KNOW. If you just wave it off and disregard the possibility of it then you have no busines doing this. Find another way to make a buck if you don't care enough about them.

I'll also link to two news reports about it. If you just disregard the lot of it, and just believe what you want to, then I will not take back any insults. If you do then I will.

http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/wami.ram is one.

http://www.isaccorp.com/images/insideedition.mpg is the other. Yes they are video links but its worth looking at.

And no, do not even THINK about coming back with "ok so they are abused but if they were not in there they'd be dead or in jail". You can help people without abuse. You can teach without brainwashing. You can help someone improve themselves and their lives without breaking them down, locking them down, restraining them inflicting pain and angst until they submit to you.

If thats how you were 'turned around', torture and brainwashing, and thats why you now think its okay, then you ARE a horrible human being. Just remember, what goes around comes around. Everyone will get what they deserve in the end. And no, not just a payment for services rendered.

[Nihilanthic]

Sorry, forgot to log in. That was me.

[Anonymous]

I have read that link by that obviously unstable mother, who can't cope with the fact she was just as much as fault for her kids problems as her child was. And i believe that to be true in all cases. These kids are given to much freedom and are neglected in a way that the parents don't know they are doing it. As for Devlin, I've heard your rantings before and even if they could sue me, which they can't. I have maybe 2 thousand dollars to my name. I'm afraid most of us escorts are not making as much as u think, Sure the companies are, but the individual escorts maybe make after working 17-20 hours and in some cases driving 1000 miles in that time frame $10 an hour. Which is not making me rich i amd lucky if i work 2 times a week. So, so much for your jackpot. Can't take $$ that is not there.I don't do this for the money. I'm sorry i don'see any abuse happening at the schools i go to. The one that cares.

[Anonymous]

So what line of work will be next for you, if/when the industry goes d.o.w.n?