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« on: January 10, 2004, 10:21:00 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2004, 11:41:00 AM »
:rofl: You mean the threatened lawsuit?  Does anyone on this board really think that after all this time if it 'were' a real thing, still, they would have had what they needed a LONG time ago?

Just curious - all bark and no bite? :wave:
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2004, 05:45:00 PM »
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On 2004-01-10 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

" :rofl: You mean the threatened lawsuit?  Does anyone on this board really think that after all this time if it 'were' a real thing, still, they would have had what they needed a LONG time ago?



Just curious - all bark and no bite? :wave:     "


Yes.  I believe that eventually the perpetrators of these abuses of teenage children WILL be sued out of  business with punitive damage awards that will follow the individuals at the money end of the heap everywhere they go, forever.

I believe that eventually these "troubled teen" schools will go the way of lobotomies, trepanning, exorcisms and dunking stools as "treatments" for teens with alleged mental illness or behavioral problems.

I believe that that eventuality will come sooner, rather than later.

I believe that eventually, before a teen can be placed in a residential behavior modification or treatment facility, the teen's custodial parent(s) or guardian(s) will themselves be evaluated for mental or behavioral problems, along with the teen, to determine who does and who doesn't have which problems.

I believe that when that eventuality comes, normal, pain-in-the-butt teens (with loopy parents or guardians) will be removed and placed with fit relatives or foster parents instead of being forcibly institutionalized.

I believe that eventually any child over the age of fourteen who has a stable, fit, married couple willing to care for him/her will be able to exercise the choice to change his/her custody to rest with said couple.

I believe such an arrangement would obviate the need for 90% of the residential placement of non-disabled teens.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2004, 06:12:00 PM »
Sounds good, but really, do you honestly expect the private for-profit teen help industry to go belly up in the next 5 or even 10 years? Not very realistic thinking in my mind knowing that the real problem is grounded in social policy and a pervasive zero-tolerance approach to child rearing.  Second, the decline in community based social and mental health services in America has played a measurable role in fueling the growth of the privatized behavioral healthcare and specialty schools industry.  There has to be sweeping changes across the board before these programs are no longer viewed as part of the solution, but rather part of the problem.  However I do believe the publicity surrounding a large direct/class action lawsuit would work to broaden the awareness of the public, perhaps setting the stage for an end to the exploitation of families and youth by a largely self-regulated (and inefficiently monitored) industry.

Just my thoughts, any feedback?
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2004, 02:52:00 PM »
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"Sounds good, but really, do you honestly expect the private for-profit teen help industry to go belly up in the next 5 or even 10 years? Not very realistic thinking in my mind knowing that the real problem is grounded in social policy and a pervasive zero-tolerance approach to child rearing.  Second, the decline in community based social and mental health services in America has played a measurable role in fueling the growth of the privatized behavioral healthcare and specialty schools industry.  There has to be sweeping changes across the board before these programs are no longer viewed as part of the solution, but rather part of the problem.  However I do believe the publicity surrounding a large direct/class action lawsuit would work to broaden the awareness of the public, perhaps setting the stage for an end to the exploitation of families and youth by a largely self-regulated (and inefficiently monitored) industry.



Just my thoughts, any feedback?"


I think it could happen in ten years, and will definitely happen within twenty, that there will be an end to this industry as it is now.

In the history of the mental health profession, there have been many wrong turns like this one.  Eventually, they are sunk by their own excesses.

There are far too many adults already who are survivors of the abuses of these places, and more are added every year.  The brainwashing wears off, these people put their lives back together, and sooner or later one of them will come along who will be charismatic enough and an effective enough spokesman to galvanize public opinion, and there will be a ready population of other survivors to confirm the truth of what that charismatic spokesman says.

It's too good a story for the press to leave alone.  Investigative reporters will come back to it over, and over, and over, and over.

This kind of thing---an exessive nightmare situation in the mental health field---has happened before, and it will happen again.  It's *always* eventually taken down by the same kinds of forces, and this particular mental health fad is already showing the stress fractures that have always heralded the end of such fads.

I believe ten years is more likely than twenty, and five is not out of the realm of possibility.

If you've never studied the history of mental illness and societal responses to it, this could look new and unprecedented to you, I guess.  

And people always tend to overestimate the tendency of things to go on in the same direction they are now ("the trend is your friend") and underestimate the certainty of change.

But if you know the history, it's pretty damned obvious what comes next.

What comes next is a huge outrageous national news story that outrages and inflames the whole country, and then the mesmerized horror as the authorities and media start digging, and digging, and digging at everything they uncover, then the lawsuits and the political speeches and the new legislation and the DA's an police chiefs and federal and state agencies all wanting to show they're "doing something."

If it isn't Ryan F. and Coldwater, which it may well not be, it will be another.  Eventually these places will pick the wrong victim(s) and do the wrong thing(s) to him/her/them, and it will all blow up in their faces, and the whole scandal will burst wide open.  It'll happen suddenly, and when it happens, it'll happen fast, like a dam bursting.

I mean, you don't have to be Jean Dixon or Psychic  Friends or something to see it coming---all you have to do is know the history and know what's happened when this kind of thing has happened in mental health before.

Or in pain-in-the-butt teen management, for that matter---the dam bursting effect is exactly what caused the formation of the juvenile justice system as we know it (mistakes and all--the solutions are never perfect, just better than what they replace).  The police arrested some kid on a BS juvenile charge and didn't tell his parents---laws at that time, they didn't have to---shipped him off to juvie with basically no due process at all.  Poor kid's parents thought he was dead or kidnapped.  And it was all legal.  And it caused that dam bursting thing that changed the laws all over the country--that one kid that captured popular imagination and outraged voters over one really egregious incident.

See, the problem with people who do something bad and get away with it, is that they think they can do it again and get away with it.  And when they do, eventually they grow to think they can do it over and over forever and always get away with it.

And on that last point, they're ALWAYS wrong.

You might get away with something once, twice, a dozen, a hundred times.  But if you do it as a habitual practice, you always eventually make a crucial mistake and get caught.

The "Teen Help Industry" is in denial.  They're like Ted Bundy---they think they're smarter than everybody who's looking to stop them or catch them, they think they can go on doing it forever.

The truth is that some school somewhere may have already made the mistake that will bring the whole industry crashing down.  It's a matter of time, but it's a statistical certainty that it *will* happen---and from the cracks in the edifice, I'd guess sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2004, 12:44:00 PM »
I believe those that are living as fat cats eating prime rib will continue as they have and the rest of the population will continue to eat burger. :lol:

I believe it has to be educating the parenting public of their scams and riches.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2004, 09:49:00 PM »
Anon Writes:

"The truth is that some school somewhere may have already made the mistake that will bring the whole industry crashing down. It's a matter of time, but it's a statistical certainty that it *will* happen---and from the cracks in the edifice, I'd guess sooner rather than later."

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What about these statistics?

Ryan Lewis, 2001
Anthony Haynes, 2001
Katherine Lank, 2002
Erica Harvey, 2002
Ian August, 2002
Chase Moody, 2002
Corey Baines, 2003

The names of 6 children who lost their lives while participating in a wilderness program, and
1 (Anthony Haynes) who lost his life while particpating in a paramilitary-style program.

7 kids dead 2001-2003 and no one cares.

 :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2004, 11:36:00 PM »
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On 2004-01-12 18:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anon Writes:



"The truth is that some school somewhere may have already made the mistake that will bring the whole industry crashing down. It's a matter of time, but it's a statistical certainty that it *will* happen---and from the cracks in the edifice, I'd guess sooner rather than later."



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What about these statistics?



Ryan Lewis, 2001

Anthony Haynes, 2001

Katherine Lank, 2002

Erica Harvey, 2002

Ian August, 2002

Chase Moody, 2002

Corey Baines, 2003



The names of 6 children who lost their lives while participating in a wilderness program, and

1 (Anthony Haynes) who lost his life while particpating in a paramilitary-style program.



7 kids dead 2001-2003 and no one cares.



 :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:









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Sure.  Go to the site of any state mental hospital prior to, oh, the 1930's, and look at all the graves.

Outrageous things happened for along time.....then along came Nellie Bly.

It's not that *nobody* cares, really.  It's that the American public is sleepy and slow to wake up to issues, but ferocious once aroused.  The case that has the "it" factor is like the starlet that has the "it" factor---it's something indefinable and until you hit the right case, it *looks* like people don't care.

I say it's not that the public doesn't care, it's that the problems haven't been brought to their attention in a way they find credible.  And if the teen help industry people cleaned up their act completely tomorrow and quit abusing kids, there's every likelihood that they would get away with what they've already done.  

But the industry isn't going to quit, because Stockholm Syndrome and implantation of (temporary) false surface personalities through systematic abusive mind control techniques is really the only card the industry has to play.

They're like purveyors of penis enlargement gimmicks---they can't legitimately deliver the results they systematically over-promise, so they *have to* either keep scamming or find another line of work.

And that continued bad behavior guarantees that eventually the victim with the "it" factor will emerge, the press will go into feeding frenzy mode, etc. just like I said above.

Anybody who thinks it won't, that things will just continue as they are, unchanged, essentially forever, is incredibly ignorant of history.

But then, ignorance has never been a terribly scarce commodity.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2004, 09:23:00 AM »
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On 2004-01-10 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

" :rofl: You mean the threatened lawsuit?  Does anyone on this board really think that after all this time if it 'were' a real thing, still, they would have had what they needed a LONG time ago?



Just curious - all bark and no bite? :wave:     "


Yes, it is very puzzling.  Especially since someone could have filed a lawsuit long ago seeking class action status.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/print/2 ... ?use=print
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2004, 02:40:00 AM »
What happened to the lawsuit and the "anons" who were promoting it?
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2004, 04:47:00 PM »
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE AN ANSWER?
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2004, 06:39:00 PM »
I think the answer was in the first post. Call and find out.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2004, 08:39:00 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2004, 09:41:00 PM »
When did you graduate?  Or is this coming from someone still in the blame mode?
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2004, 01:15:00 PM »
your experiences at Ivy Ridge are important - please call the number listed and share with them.

please don't be dismayed by the comments posted to you. IMO there is no behavior or diagnosis that abuse or neglect can help or solve. It seems some staffers or programized parents post here as well

You are important and deserve to be heard - your voice could also help kids inside right now..please speak out.  Peace to you.
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