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« on: December 20, 2003, 06:46:00 PM »
I FUCKING HATE THE PROGRAM IT CAUSED ME SUCH MISERY FUCK WWASP!!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2003, 10:18:00 PM »
I wonder why your parents enrolled you???  ::puke::
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2003, 09:57:00 AM »
sorry for the response to the starter of this thread - the program also posts here...what program were you in and what was your experience?..

Imagine now the "teen helpers" think anyone who uses profanity should be in the program!!!!...better build a bunch more facilities fast...you've got a country full of profane speakers. Is there any character flaw the program cannot fix?..we can now add profanity to the list...how about burping...can you fix someone who burps...gosh that could really annoy some people..??
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2003, 12:51:00 PM »
Yeah, tell me about it! And check out the Carey Sucks club and their good manners. Some of these folks are the same onew who want to rescue kids from WWASP programs and skim a thousand or three to place them somewhere better.

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2003, 01:17:00 PM »
Ginger, I found out that PURE (Sue) makes a whopping 10% of the one years tuition for some of the shcools in which she refers kids to.

I have been able to pull copies of documents from Pacer and I will scan them as soon as I have the time, maybe later this evening, and email them to you.  Or, tell me how to put a scanned dcoument into a post and I will do it myself.

I have a document in which Amberly (by the way her real name is Amber Lee) testified for the father of another child in which she says Dundee is good and that the child needs to remain there with in.  Her testimony in this case occurred just prior to my contacting her about my stong opposition to my boys being at Dundee.  I will scan that doucment as well, this evening.  I don't know what to think about Amber Lee.  I know what I think about programs, I don't agree with them.  I think they are another form of incarceration and I still say kids have a right to thier freedom just as we adults do.  I still think due process and the juvenile justice system serves the purpose.  I still think there is a high risk of "abuse" happening in programs, due to the nature of the beast (isolation, untrained staff, etc.).  

I still don't have a copy of my deposition. Hopefully I will get it this week and I will post it as well.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2003, 02:05:00 PM »
Hey Carey,
  I've never had access to PACER, so I can't give you step-by-step instructions. But I think you can hit their site online and pull all (most?) of the documents in .pdf (Acrobat) format. So that would save you the time and trouble of scanning them. But it costs something per document or per page. I don't know how much. Either way, I very much appreciate your willingness to help us w/ this. Enquiring minds want to know!

  You can't post documents like that to this forum directly. They have to be placed somewhere on a server accessible via the net and then you can post links to them. So if you want to email them, I can add them to the docs we have already. Maybe I'll get around to figuring out which docs correspond to which entries in the docket and provide links from it to the docs.

 
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I have a document in which Amberly (by the way her real name is Amber Lee) testified for the father of another child in which she says Dundee is good and that the child needs to remain there with in.


Would that be Mitchell v. Mitchell? Cause I have the testimony of 3 wittnesses, about 100 pages, for the son and would love to have a little more.

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2003, 02:26:00 PM »
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Would that be Mitchell v. Mitchell?


No, it is in the case Christler v. Christler.  The hearing in this case took place on July 19, 2002,weeks within the time that I wrote Amberly Lee telling her I was opposed to my boys being at Dundee.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2003, 02:48:00 PM »
Oh, and I forgot to address this.

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I don't know what to think about Amber Lee.

Carey, we sort of abandoned earlier topics about why these people do what they do. Maybe now we can get back to that. I really think I've got some of that figured out over the years. I've had to because I used to be one, sort of, to some extent. And my whole family is pretty much still in the Program.

Based on what little I know of the Amber story, she's probably a bit confused about the whole thing. In order to be on staff at these programs, you must be either a true believer or a true sadist. I don't think she's a sadist. I think she believed. Now it seems she's defected from WWASP and become a true believer in PURE. The only reason/excuse I've seen for her withholding testimony when your boys needed it and, instead, giving it to PURE was that holy higher purpose; the great lawsuit. Higher purpose is powerfully intoxicating and can be blinding.




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I know what I think about programs, I don't agree with them. I think they are another form of incarceration and I still say kids have a right to thier freedom just as we adults do. I still think due process and the juvenile justice system serves the purpose. I still think there is a high risk of "abuse" happening in programs, due to the nature of the beast (isolation, untrained staff, etc.).


I'm very much concerned over the state of due process in the juvenile justice system. I think a kid stands a better chance in it than in the private prison industry, even today. But, as time goes on, it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference.

I hate to frame the argument as juvenile justice v private placement because, it seems, the Program philosophy believers have made great progress over the past 20 years in infiltrating and influencing juvenile justice.

The Goose Creek SWAT raid is an excellent example of that. Just listen to the principal and police spokespeople defending that action. They sound just like Program proponants to me. Their motives are not dark or sinister, but they truely believe that a joint in a kid's back-pack is far more dangerous than a SWAT team, high on adrenaline pointing loaded weapons at the kids' heads.

In my view, this makes them dangerously unbalanced and, therefore, unqualified to hold positions of authority and responsibility over our children. And, incidentally, makes it just that much easier for Program proponants to draw comparisons between their programs and the public ones. This has just got to stop somewhere.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2003, 04:00:00 PM »
Antigen,
Amberly has NEVER been affiliated with PURE.  She hasn't spoken to Sue Scheff in 6 months and has only spoken with her a few times in her life. The topic was never about PURE.  You seem to only take Carey's word as far as information concerning Amberly.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2003, 04:59:00 PM »
Did Amberly give a sworn statement to PURE while refusing to give the same statement to Carey? Are you saying that's not true? My brother hasn't spoken to Art Barker in around 30 years or so. Never the less, he remains a devoted and true believer.

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2003, 05:23:00 PM »
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On 2003-12-21 13:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Antigen,

Amberly has NEVER been affiliated with PURE.  She hasn't spoken to Sue Scheff in 6 months and has only spoken with her a few times in her life. The topic was never about PURE.  You seem to only take Carey's word as far as information concerning Amberly. "


How is that you, Anon, presume to speak for Amberly and Sous Chef?  

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2004, 12:11:00 PM »
/bump  :grin:
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