ebook: DUCK IN A RAINCOAT: AN UNAUTHORIZED PORTARIT OF JOE R

[Antigen]

Matt, that's a fantastic idea!

Can I suggest, though, setting up a seperate forum to use as a trash bin instead of deleting those posts? Here's why. Whatever anyone may make of that content, do we want to create the illusion that so and so isn't the kind of person to say such things?

And do we also go and delete the few similar counter-attacks and pretend that didn't happen?

Just my thoughts.

One other thing I was thinking about. This thread or another, I don't remember, you mention that Straight was nothing compared to Elan. I'm not sure if that's entirely true or not. Wherever Miller Newton was directly involved, there were no holds barred. It was all about intense humiliation, fear of death and bodily harm. How they go about instilling that fear is subtly or overtly different from instance to instance. But the basic method is the same. And that's a story that needs to be told.

There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.
--George Washington

[Antigen]

In case anyone's reading this who doesn't know the background firsthand, this anon poster pretty much admits he's on staff at Elan. Same one who claims all the kids in his care are violent sociopaths. I was never in Elan, but I can tell you that the following quoted post sounds just exactly like a confrontation in group at Straight. I'm not exagerating, hell this is really sort of a mild sample.

I've seen staff at Straight stand a girl up and make her confess responsibility for making them (staff, parents) force her to have an abortion. "I did the necessary things to make you have to do it." I've seen them stand a guy up in group and confront him in the same harsh terms and the most brutal tones for being a selfish, attention seeking piece of shit after they brought him back from the hospital after he slashed both his wrists the right way.

To my mind, this is a crucial part of the story that needs to be told. This is what Elan, Straight, Miller Newton, WWASP and some other self appointed treatment gurus call therapy! "What's wrong with a little tough discipline?", they ask. Or "Well, the kid didn't apreciate what they had at home, so now they have nothing. Boo hoo!" in response to questions about humiliating and often life threatening conditions and events.

There's a whole lot more to be told. It takes a thousand voices, or so they say. Now put that together with the upstanding pillars of the community who continue to support and protect these sadistic SOBs by court mandated placements, direct funding, supportive legislation like the Marchman Act and you may begine to have trouble sleeping at night as I do.

On 2003-10-17 23:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Blah blah blah..get a life Paul you worthless piece of shit.



I close my eyes and try to picture the snivelers who cry about Elan...I see Paul bent over with a finger in his rectum, saying "look at my asshole...they fucked me in the asshole...look"



You fuckin snivelers bring the majority of shame upon yourselves."

Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status
--Laurence J. Peter

[Paul St. John]

.. and I would like to add to what Ginger posted
that I do belive this poster(perhaps counselor)
is in fact telling the truth.


I am sure that he does in fact like to picture me bent over with finger in ass.  I am sure that he gets off on that visual real good.

He probably also added to his fantasy the idea that I was legless, so as to make it a bit more kinky for himself..

Paul St. JOhn

[Anonymous]

Yeah with a big black dick in your ass

[Paul St. John]

On 2003-10-18 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yeah with a big black dick in your ass"

One day, I am meet one of you fuckers!

 :wave:

[Paul St. John]

Yeah.. I can picture it..


Suddenly, you will look like the sniveler.

unable to look me in the eyes and all,
and suddenly very quiet.


Oh.. but I hope I am wrong.

This is what I picture...

" Hey Paul.. bend over .. let me put my black dick in your ass"

My direction changes, and my speed increases.

Fear is all that can be seen in your eyes, as what is left of shakey composure, fights to still look like a hardass.

and then.. you go out :exclaim:

and hard  :exclaim:


You wake aup later, and then start to complain to the whol world.


Or if it was Marty Krudick, even better.

I'd humiliate that motherfucker, before walking right throuh him.


Human filth!

Paul

[Matt C. Hoffman]

Ginger

Sorry it was a knee jerk reaction .I have been validating a persons abuse the tampoon head gear  etc .I was a witness to her abuse .(amonst 100's of others )

I know these programs were bassiccally the same just used different means to achieve their  goals

I am sorry ,it was me not thinking ...happens some time now and then .I did not mean to belittle in no way .and apologize if i did

Peace

Matt

[Antigen]

Matt, I'm not offended and I don't feel belittled at all. I just think it's important because it's not just these individuals on the level of Ricci, Barker, Miller or the staff running these places now. It's no coincidence, in my opinion, that essentially the same method that Bobby DuPont saw in practice at Synanon has been propagated all over the country. They're backed by organizations like government programs and agencies, the Mormon Church, the Southern Baptist Convention.

In a very big way, we're all in this together.

BTW, the idea I thought was so excellent was to auction off your diploma on E-Bay. But we have to have the reasons well documented and be ready in case it works and generates a lot of inqueries.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart

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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
   10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous

[Nazi]

"Or if it was Marty Krudick, even better.

I'd humiliate that motherfucker, before walking right throuh him. "

Hey Marty looks like you make more and more friends as life goes on dont you boy? Marty had his fun in the spotlight now that light has burnt out.Now we are all in the spotlight and the power is now in our hands.Marty we the former victums will decide your fate.You cannot do anything about it, you didn't think you could get away with what you did without it coming all back to you in the future?
Wasn't it you that said " Whats comes around goes around?"

[Anonymous]

YOUR AN ASS YOU HERE THAT YOU SICK SICK PERSON SHAME ON YOU MARTY AND JEFF NOT THE CHILDREN.YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO SOME,HMMMMMM SOME YOU LIKED OR NEEDED TO SAY SOMETHING IN YOUR CORNER.THATS ITS FOR ME WANT ANSWERS AND BY GOD I AM GOING TO GET THEM.KEEP POSTING YOU SICK PERSON YOUR PUSING ME RIGHT WERE i BELONG.THANKS YOU ARE BOTH CHILD ABUSERS AND YOUR BOTH GOING GOING TO ANSWER IF i DIE TRYING.THANKS FOR THE PUSH.GET IN THE CORNER MARTY AND JEFF.GENERAL MEETING.EVEN THE NAME OF IT IS SICK.THATS WHY YOUR ALL INTO YOURSELFS YA THINK YOUR IN CHARGE.THAT SMIRK MARTY YOU LOVED GENERAL MEETINGS.THEY HAD NO POINT TO THEM.WHAT WAS THE HELP IN BELITTELING AND DESTROYING TINY SOULS.ME CHEE I LOVED BEING SPIT AT AND SPANKED BY 120 KIDS WITH CLIPBOARDS,HELL YES IT HURT DUMMY AND YES I REACTED.I WAS A HUMAN BEING.WE WERE ALL HUMAN BEINGS.YOU COME HERE STAFF TO PISS PEOPLE OFF AND HONESTLY IT FRUSTRATES ME BUT I LEARNED FROM YOU TO HOW TO FIGHT BACK WHEN I FELL THAT WAY THANKS FOR PUSH.YOU ARE GOING TO ANSWER.I WILL DIE TRYING

[Anonymous]

:wave:  :tup: ++

[The Elan Reporter]

Why would anyone want to dig up this old post from the publisher? The publisher is DEAD!