Carey Bock Has Her Judas Gold

[Carey]

Ginger-where did you go to law school? You really don't get the case at all, do you? Your assumptions are way off base. Remember to prove a case, you need facts not hearsay and that is all Carey has.

Then why all the worry about my depostion?

[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-12 08:57 ]

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[Froderik]

Why are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person? SLAP! SLAP!

Oh, that's funny. You just edited it. Ok, I take back the slaps..

[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-12 08:59 ]

[Froderik]

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=9#28250

[Antigen]

What am I misunderstanding, Anon?

Here's the complaint
http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/wwasp/ ... cv0005.pdf

Now, I never claimed any legal training. And I do understand that, very often, terms of art in legal proceedings don't mean the same thing as the same words or phrases do in normal speech. But this damned sure looks to me asif WWASP is suing PURE for badmouthing them to customers in order to draw business away from them.

Frod, I don't think Carey's asking anyone to trust her. Do you? Can you tell me why I should hate her?

The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.
--Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921

[Anonymous]

WWASP is suing PURE for badmouthing them to customers in order to draw business away from them.

Ok, this is beside the point, for the 1000th time.

Frod, I don't think Carey's asking anyone to trust her. Do you?

Gee, I don't know. WTF?? Of course she is. She attempts to validate herself here, but the shit ain't flushing.

Can you tell me why I should hate her?

Pardon me, but who the fuck said anything about hating her? LMAO...She is detestable for being a snitch, but I never asked you to hate her. Have you had yuor coffee yet?

[Froderik]

WWASP is suing PURE for badmouthing them to customers in order to draw business away from them.

Ok, this is beside the point, for the 1000th time.

Frod, I don't think Carey's asking anyone to trust her. Do you?

Gee, I don't know. WTF?? Of course she is. She attempts to validate herself here, but the shit ain't flushing.

Can you tell me why I should hate her?

Pardon me, but who the fuck said anything about hating her? LMAO...She is detestable for being a snitch, but I never asked you to hate her. Have you had your coffee yet?

(please go ahead and delete the anon post prior to this one)

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[Froderik]

Ginger-where did you go to law school?  You really don't get the case at all, do you?  Your assumptions are way off base.  Remember to prove a case, you need facts not hearsay and that is all Carey has.  Even in her deposition. which was on video, you can see Carey had no proof.  Only hearsay and sometimes the hearsay was 3rd or 4th party.  Just wait for the video.  Forget the transcripts, you will enjoy seeing Scary Carey going a big coo=koo.  Don't take my word for it, Carey said she talks to you, ask her for a copy."

Ginger, you were in the program, like me, and when someone is FOS, I can smell it a mile away.  :flame:

[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-12-12 13:41 ]

[Antigen]

Frod, I think your reality check just bounced. Yes, I went through the program. No, it didn't impart to me any special awareness or psychic ability to spot dishonesty. It only made me accutely aware that life's not fair, sadism is a lot more widespread than I had formerly thought and that there's a fool born every minute.

You don't have any special, supernatural ability to determine which of the conflicting parties here are telling the truth. If you have info that I don't have, again I ask, please share. That's the only thing likely to influence my opinion on anything. Browbeating and ad hominem attacks will not.

Ok, so I did gain from my program experience a high threshhold for that kind of bullshit. It just doesn't effect me anywhere near as much as it does most people.

Unless they've hacked my server, nobody's gotten any information from it that's not readily available to the public. To my knowledge, no one has hacked my server.

In all seriousness, though, some folks seem determined to drag me into this if at all possible. If I were you and you have any private messages that you wouldn't want the jaberwocks to have, I'd go and delete them. If they subpeona the data, I'd probably have to deliver it. Even if I refused, they could subpeona my hosting provider.

Finally, I've talked to a LOT of people, Frod! I'll talk to you if you want. When I firs heard about PURE, the very fist thing I did before even finishing looking over the website was to call up Sue Scheff and have a chat with her. When Carey came along and I had more questions than it would have been practical to ask and have answered in writing, why I asked for her number and rang her up. I'll also do phone interviews for damned near any book author, journalist or anyone else interested in my experience or viewpoints. I'm just not shy that way.

Maybe YOU should have given Carey a call back in May when all this bullshit started. Then you'd have had another pov on the whole story right from the beginning.

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
Anonymity Anonymous

[Anonymous]

On 2003-12-12 08:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ginger-where did you go to law school?  You really don't get the case at all, do you?  Your assumptions are way off base.  Remember to prove a case, you need facts not hearsay and that is all Carey has.  Even in her deposition. which was on video, you can see Carey had no proof.  Only hearsay and sometimes the hearsay was 3rd or 4th party.  Just wait for the video.  Forget the transcripts, you will enjoy seeing Scary Carey going a big coo=koo.  Don't take my word for it, Carey said she talks to you, ask her for a copy."

Isn't anybody even remotely curious who posted this information?  Especially since the only people at the deposition according to Carey, were herself, Sue Sheff, and the 2 attorneys.  Since it's obvious Carey didn't make the post, that leaves Sheff and the 2 attorneys. Hmmm.  Something tells me this is a BIG BOO-BOO .... unless there is some other logical explanation???

 :scared:

[Anonymous]

On 2003-12-12 05:33:00, Carey wrote:

"Somewhere in another thread I told ya'll I would give WWASP my emails. So why you are now surprised I did, I don't understand. I could have said no and had them subpoened or I could attempt to negotiate with them and have them pay for them. Afterall, I incurred a lot of expense removing my boys from a program that I did not want them in. I chose the later. It was going to cost WWASP one way or another to get them, whether it be incurring legal expenses or paying for the inconvience it caused me. If you have a problem with that...well, its your problem.



When I have more time, I will share with you something else that was uncovered in this depostion. Well briefly let me throw this out there for you. If you found out that your child was in a program that you felt was abusive and if you appealed to the director of that program and hit nothing but rock solid walls only to find out later that this same person who refused to help you to protect your child from further abuse by making a statement that could be used in court would not do so, but then was more than willing to help PURE by providing them with a statement, a company that places kids in these risky programs (adults that is, a business, not children who are or who had been subjected to abuse, but adults making money off of this business) would you start to question the motives and the story of that director?



Just and FYI, there is a lot more to that (the director's involvment) which you will be seeing more of in the future. That is not over...she was responsible for the wellbeing of my kids for approximately 5 months of their 7 month stay at Dundee. If she knew about the proported abuse and did not report it...she is just as guilty as those commiting the abuse. She is also responsible for the months after my boys returned home and the fact that they were afraid of being sent back.



Is she hooking up with Sue because she wants to stay in the "teen help" business because she too has the potential for earnings therein? Is it really about abuse with these people or is about something else?

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If it was my child, I would be upset, too, and see nothing wrong with getting to the bottom of any of this.  After all, you are their parent and have every right to demand an explanation. It's as simple as that.

[Anonymous]

From: "Amberly Knight"
>To: "Director"
>Subject: Dundee News Update
>Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:03:52 -0600
>
>Dear Parents and Friends,
>
>I have recently been presented with some different options in my life, and I have made the very difficult decision of leaving Dundee Ranch to pursue these other options. I feel very blessed to have had the opportunity to meet so many of you and to work with your teens. I want you to know how much I love you and support you. I believe in the program because of the changes I have seen in so many lives. You are giving them the opportunity of the lifetime, and I applaud your courage and commitment to their change.
 
>My co-directors, Joe Atkin and Kenny Wilson, will be assuming my responsibilities. Joe has been here since the program opened. Kenny has
>four years of experience with the program in Carolina Springs. I have full confidence in their abilities to continue improving things here at Dundee Ranch. I will miss you all. Best luck to you now and in the future.
>
>Love,
>Amberly
>Amberly Knight
>Director, Academy at Dundee Ranch
>011-506-428-7000 x 28

Obviously, adminstering care and treatment for a large population of troubled youth is a job that requires specialized training and considerable expertise.  What is the background of Ms. Knight and is she still involved in the teen-help industry?

[Anonymous]

You up there
its on tape at the request of your (wwasps) lawyer.
Being on tape greatly increases the potential numbers of eyewitnesses.

[Anonymous]

shut up!!!!!!!