how can this be?

[Anonymous]

I am new to this site, I only found it because my niece, who was in kids once, told me to see it.   I really can't believe some of the things I am reading.   Are there really former kids, now adults, out there that still cling to miller newton, even after all that has come out about him?   Please tell me how this can be?  My niece even said that some of them don't even see their families.  I can't imagine ever feeling like that.  My parents are not an A+ , but I still love and respect them.  They are the only ones I will ever have, so I have to deal with it.  Is it true that some don't even let their kids see their grandparents? And someone was allowed to move to Fl. with their child, away from their father, just to be near Newton?  How could a judge allow such a thing to happen.  Isn't anyone doing anything to stop this monster?  I am sorry if I sound frantic, but this is all new to me, and I am heartsick for these families.  What is wrong with these people?  How many are there too, and do they really do everything he tells them to?

[Antigen]

In a word, Jim Jones. (Ok, that's two words. But you get the point)

Suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of Congress.  But I repeat myself.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=circlofmiamithem&keyword=mark+twain&mode=books' target='_new'> Mark Twain

[Anonymous]

What I think is even more crazy are the parents that still cling to Newton even though their children have been gone from the program for years.  I'm not talking about just verbally supporting the Kids program, but refusing to ever have contact with their kids again because they left.  I don't understand.

[Antigen]

My mom kicked two of us out of the family for failure to complete the program. For a number of years afterward, she'd send me and my kids birthday and holliday cards. Sometimes, even gifts at Christmas, but they were always things like clothing made for that stepford kid she never had.

But never a friendly phone call or personal letter, far less a visit or invitation just to spend time. Not once in over 20 years.

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

[Anonymous]

ya know,

  If Newton died today, I would not mourn on second, I would be glad, and if my life gets  sooooooo bad I'll take him out for the team. He is demon who deserves only death

[Anonymous]

I found this old clipping, and thought how  much it applies to Kids.
My family and I were led to believe we were member of a "special" group--that we had a "different" calling than other churches, which was why we had to work harder and sacrifice more than the average Christian.  We were ordered to terminate any activity or relationship that pulled us away from our church obligagions or planted seeds of doubt in our mind.
Finally, things got so weird my husband and I could ignore it no longer.  We informed the pastor we would not be coming back.  He said we would become "shipwrecked"--doomed to divorce and our kids would not serve God after they grew up.  Then some church leaders called to beg us to not leave.
This is a wake up call to let people know that scare tactics, manipulation, and mind control techniques are very much alive.  They are not just reserved for cults but are used by some churches.  
By the grace of God we escaped.   I suffered nightmares, depression, and total mistrust of any other church for a long time.  We, who were once part of the trusted few, were now the enemy.  We lost all our friends.  We had know some of them more that 10 years.      Although they claimed to love us, they were forced to cut us off--the same thing we had done to those who left before us.
Doesn't this all sound familar?  I guess we weren't the only ones to be taken in by a phoney,controling maniac.  
There by the grace of God go I.   I can't help feeling sorry for the ones who are still attached to Newton.  I hope for their sake and the sake of their estranged families, they wake up soon.

[Anonymous]

Nahhh... It's not worth going to jail. Let him suffer. He's in bankruptcy, he is listed as a child abuser on an Orthodox Church website, he has lost opportunities at colleges and retreats because of people exposing the fraud that he is. One thing he is an expert at now is being a complete fucking loser. Everything that he hoped for has crashed. That is satisfying to me. Of course if he, his bitch of a wife, one of his kids, grandchildren etc.... dropped dead tomorrow, I would laugh. Who cares. If it was him or his wife, I would make every effort to be there at the funeral. Just to cheer and maybe disrespect his family like he disrepected ours.

[Antigen]

I used to wish for the day Virgil would land up in prison. I'd find out the visiting hours and go to see for myself. I could envision his self rightious, sadistic face above an orange prison jump suit, sitting at a visiting booth trying like hell to effect an air if rightious indignation or whatever. I'd just smile, say not a word, revel in the roll reversal.

But this is better, I think. I'm glad Virgil is alive to see his little imaginary world crumble around him. I hope he lives a long, long time and lands up on one of those county nursing homes operated by Lutheran Services.

A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela

[Anonymous]

I recently told my aunt about the message board after she had found the kids of north jersey herself . I told her about some of the horrible things I had learned. This posting and topic made me think of her.

She was willing to give up everything to help me escape the grip of Newton and Kids. I will forever be grateful for all she has done for me and all she continues to do.  For believing my unbelievable outrageous stories that others adamantly doubted and denied, at a time when there wasn't as much press as there is now by far.  I will never forget it. She dropped everything and dedicated all her energy to making my freedom a legal reality.  She prevented me from being there any longer than a year and for this I am in debt to her each and every day. If she did not believe in me, if she allowed my parents to keep me in kids, if she believed the things they claimed It's pretty clear what would have happened, and I imagine I would have been there a whole lot longer with more bruises and scars, with less hair on my head, with less of myself remaining.

Finding this site reinforced the feeling that I am incredibly fortunate to have had her there to help me. I'm not sure if anything could express what it means to me completely.



I remember my day in court, Ruth Ann interrupting the courtroom, yapping at me while she was on the stand. I do find pleasure at the thought of how mad she was. I will also never forget the satisfaction of listening to Ruth Ann on the phone at the courthouse calling in to Kids and stating that she thought they were going to win. It's a little thing.

You lose Ruth Ann. You lose.