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« Reply #225 on: June 26, 2005, 11:23:00 PM »
http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex.cfm ... topicid=55

AMA Supports Use of SSRIs for Treating Teen Depression

By Peggy Peck, Senior Editor, MedPage Today
June 21, 2005

CHICAGO, June 21-The American Medical Association agreed today that antidepressants such as Prozac (fluoxetine) are safe and effective therapies for
treating depression in teenagers.


http://www.boston.com/business/technolo ... 5/06/09/su
rveyed_scientists_admit_misconduct/

Surveyed scientists admit misconduct
One-third cite research tactics
By Gareth Cook, Globe Staff  |  June 9, 2005

A third of American biomedical scientists have engaged in questionable research practices, according to survey results released yesterday that raise questions about the integrity of the nation's multibillion-dollar quest to understand the human body and cure diseases.
[IF A THIRD ARE OPENLY ADMITTING MISCONDUCT, HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY DOING IT?]

The study, based on a survey of about 3,000 government-funded scientists, is the first broad, quantitative examination of misconduct that asked researchers to admit their own misdeeds. The scientists, who participated anonymously, were asked whether they had done any of 33 actions in the three years before the 2002 survey. Asked about the most serious misconduct, 0.3 percent said they had falsified data, and 1.4 percent said they had used another's ideas without
gaining permission or giving credit. In addition, 15.5 percent said they had changed how they conducted an experiment or its results in response to pressure from a funding source, raising the prospect that companies are influencing scientific papers to support their commercial interests. The scientists also
admitted a range of other misdeeds, such as circumventing the rules on using human subjects in experiments, and not properly disclosing ties with companies.

''We found a striking level and breadth of misbehavior," said lead author Brian C. Martinson, a researcher at HealthPartners Research Foundation in Minneapolis. ''I think this really causes us to call into question the assumption that it is just a few bad apples."

There is no way, said Martinson, to gauge how much of the nation's research was compromised by the misconduct. And several specialists on scientific conduct said that it was difficult to know from the study how common scientific
misbehavior is because many of the questions were worded vaguely, and could include behavior that is not objectionable. For example, a scientist might have changed the design of an experiment after a legitimate suggestion from a government funding source.

But the specialists welcomed the work, which was published in the journal Nature, saying more research like it is needed at a time when science is becoming increasingly commercialized.

Trust and integrity lie at the heart of the scientific process, with published experimental results making careers, determining whether scientists win research grants, and shaping spending priorities in the nearly $30 billion budget of the National Institutes of Health. At a time when scandals have shaken the worlds of business, politics, and journalism, the authors of the new report said that similar factors -- such as intense competition and human failings such as greed and cynicism -- threaten the fundamental working of science. They said the problem goes well beyond the egregious cases that the government is authorized to investigate.

Editors of prominent medical journals have been increasingly vocal about financial conflicts of interest that they say are hampering science, causing researchers to hype positive results and downplay negative ones. Yet the topic of
misconduct tends to make scientists uneasy, and that has led to a dearth of research on the subject.

''I think this is a very important step," said C. K. Gunsalus, a special counsel at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and one of the nation's leading specialists on research integrity. ''The discomfort means that we don't like to talk about it, and that means we don't have good data."

Surveying misconduct was controversial even before the current study was done. In 2002, the US government's Office of Research Integrity proposed conducting a survey of scientific misconduct, but several scientific groups, including the Association of American Medical Colleges, objected. They said that the survey questions were vague and might be misused, and that the federal government's role should be restricted to policing fabrication, alsification, and plagiarism.

The government study was eventually canceled, and that same year the editors of Nature harshly criticized the scientific groups for their role in stopping it, saying they gave ''a good impersonation of aged, out-of-touch special
interests with something to hide."

The survey reported yesterday was done with government funding, including money from the Office of Research Integrity, but it was conducted by an independent scientific team. An official with the Association of American Medical
Colleges, which represents some of the nation's leading biomedical research institutions, said the group had no objection to the survey being done this way, but she declined to comment on the results of the study, saying she had not had time to review it carefully.

Martinson said his team designed the survey based on interviews with scientists about the kinds of misbehavior they believe are most common. In these interviews, he said, he was surprised at how candid scientists were in describing a wide range of problems. Some said they felt guilty crossing ethical lines, but that they needed to in order to succeed. One scientist, he said, described coming across a case where his own work had been systematically plagiarized, but the scientist did not report it because the person who had done it was a powerful figure in the field.

The team designated 10 of the behaviors as the most serious types of misconduct, based on interviews with officials at universities who oversee research integrity. Thirty-three percent of scientists admitted to at least one of these
10 behaviors in the three years before the survey, according to the paper.

In the report, titled ''Scientists Behaving Badly," the most common misbehavior was MAKING CHANGES IN RESPONSE TO PRESSURE FROM A FUNDER. There have been cases, now public, where drug firms have pressured scientists to rewrite or not
publish papers because they would harm the market for one of their products. [ANY SURPRISE THERE?]

Two of the most common practices found in the survey are likely to raise red flags because they hint at a breakdown of the basic checks and balances that are supposed to correct the scientific record. Of the scientists surveyed, 12.5 percent admitted to ''overlooking others' use of flawed data or questionable interpretation of data," and 6 percent admitted to ''failing to present data that contradict one's own previous research." The paper also reported other
behaviors beyond what it called the ''top 10" most serious offenses. Ten percent admitted to ''inappropriately assigning authorship credit" and 15.3 percent admitted to ''dropping observations or data points from analyses based on a gut feeling that they were inaccurate."

But because of the vagueness of many of the questions, it is impossible to know how serious an infraction the scientists were admitting to, or even if it was an infraction, said Dr. Drummond Rennie, a deputy editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association who has been a longtime advocate for more study of misconduct. Rennie said that he welcomed the work and hoped there would now be more rigorous study of the issue.

Another problem, Rennie and others said, is that the survey relies on scientists to report on themselves, and even with the promise of anonymity, the results depend on the honesty of the people filling it out. Also, only about half
of the scientists responded to the survey, which was mailed.

Martinson said that he agreed there were flaws in the study, but that he hoped it would inspire more discussion of the problem.

''I don't have all the answers," Martinson said. ''What I think I have here is some evidence that suggests we need to begin a more broad-based
conversation."

Gareth Cook can be reached at cook@globe.com
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« Reply #226 on: June 27, 2005, 09:10:00 AM »
Deborah, for the record, what's your position on Scientology?

I think people who would consider what you have to say have a right to know.

Or, alternately, if you won't say, they have a right to know that, too.

My position on Scientology is that it's a dangerous cult that destroys lives.

This would, of course, affect my opinion about ablechild.org, which has been alleged to be yet another Scientology front group.

Tom Cruise has very similar positions to yours on psychiatry.

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« Reply #227 on: June 27, 2005, 03:24:00 PM »
Who alleged that Ablechild is a front group for scientology? How are you using 'front'? Have you/they contacted them, or are you content to perpetrate the rumor?

Tom Cruise, and many, many others.
According to Belief-O-Matic, I appear to have about 47% similar values, beliefs as Scientologists.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#47317
Take the test yourself and post the results in that thread.

I appreciated Cruise's efforts in NY after 911. I don't think that supplements and saunas killed any of the workers, ill from exposure to heavy toxins. Having Native anscestory, I may appreciate supplements and saunas more than others. Based on what I've read, I support their 'alternative protocols' in general, to some degree or another, which probably accounts for the 47% similarity in values/beliefs.

I know nothing about their program for reading difficulties. If it works as Cruise claims, then I think someone should take a look at it. I don't care who created it, if it's useful and doesn't do harm, them implement it. We know that Phonics is very useful. Why isn't it available to all public school kids? If you analyze the system, in the end you have to ask the question, "is government really interested in what's best for kids"? I have concluded that the answer is NO.

What I don't know about Scientology far outweighs what I know. I have nothing to contribute about what goes on on a national/global level. Ultimately, I don't get very involved in what consenting adults choose to do, therefore have not put much time at all into researching the topic.

What I DO know is that while living in an alternative mecca for 20 years, a number of Scientologists crossed my path socially. One neighbor was a scientologist. What I know of them is that they were good people, law abiding, family oriented, had jobs of integrity. My neighbor was a really cool guy who I enjoyed hanging with. I was never 'preached' to or recruited- can't say that about cristians. I can not speak to the allegations of abuse, holding people against their will, etc. etc. I did not witness that or feel that the people I knew were in any way being held against their will, any more than any other religious person of whatever persuasion. Doesn't mean it's so. They appeared to be happy, reasonable, and rational people who functioned with more integrity than most of the christians I've had the displeasure of encountering.

While I know little about the specific beliefs of the religion, I know more about CCHR. I support their efforts in terms of exposing the ills of psychiatry and in aiding those who have been harmed by the industry. I am not alone:
http://www.cchr.org/what/endorsements/index.htm

They have done a wonderful job researching and if not for them, I doubt the Hartford Courant?s five-part expose "Deadly Restraint" (which is frequently cited here) would have ever been published.

Bottomline, there's good and bad everywhere. If you want to compare the bad of christianity with the bad of scientology, that might be a interesting endeavor. I personally believe that christians have been and still are the most violent people on the planet, responsible for wiping out millions of people, overtly and convertly, and still going strong. And at the risk of being shot dead on the spot, I think they are far more dangerous- generally speaking- than scientologists, based strictly on my experience. They definitely meet the criteria of a malignant cult, as do public schools and other institutions where people are captive audiences, by law or fear, and covertly told what to believe/think.

You might find what you're looking for here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#107818
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#107866
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 190#108674
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =50#112761
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =50#112882

And a few on my opinion of organized religion/psychiatry in general. The first is my favorite on the ills of the two:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#65038
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#65238
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =100#83921
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#22685
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#17791
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#20284
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#20372
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#32874
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#45444
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#47152
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=40#56172
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« Reply #228 on: June 27, 2005, 05:00:00 PM »
I think the difference is that the COS is a dangerous mind control cult. Most Christian groups in the US and abroad are for community, worship, and guidance, and believe in free will.  I've never been to a church that incorporated brainwashing techniques and subliminal electro-shock "therapy" not excluding the extermination of members that want to leave the church.  :scared:

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« Reply #230 on: June 27, 2005, 08:39:00 PM »
NBC News Transcripts
SHOW: Today 7:00 AM EST NBC
June 27, 2005 Monday

HEADLINE: Dr. Steven Shafstein and Dr. Joseph Glenmullen discuss debate over antidepressants sparked by Tom Cruise's statements

ANCHORS: KATIE COURIC, MATT LAUER, MATT LAUER, NATALIE MORALES
REPORTERS: AL ROKER
KATIE COURIC, co-host:

We're back at 7:41. Tom Cruise raised a lot of eyebrows last week when he slammed mental health treatments in this country, including the use of antidepressants. Here's another look at what he had to say to Matt.

Mr. TOM CRUISE: I have never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Psychiatry is--is is a pseudo-science. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and the psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people...

MATT LAUER, co-host:

Mm-hmm.

Mr. CRUISE: ...OK? Against their will. Of drugging children, with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Adderall is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that? (Unintelligible)...

LAUER: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

Mr. CRUISE: No, you see, here's the problem. You don't know the history psychiatry. I do. All it does is mask the problem, Matt. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in a body.

LAUER: So postpartum depression, to you, is--is...

Mr. CRUISE: Matt...

LAUER: ...kind of psychological...

Mr. CRUISE: ...don't...

LAUER: ...gobbledy-gook?

Mr. CRUISE: No. But what happens is that the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what--what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer. That these--these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs, and there are ways of doing it without that, so that we don't end up in a brave new world.

COURIC: Dr. Steve--Steven Sharfstein is president of the American Psychiatric Association and Dr. Joseph Glenmullen is a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, and author of the book "The Antidepressant Solution."

Gentlemen, good morning. Nice to see you both.

Dr. STEVEN SHARFSTEIN (President, American Psychiatric Association): Good morning.

Dr. JOSEPH GLENMULLEN (Harvard Medical School): Nice to see you.

COURIC: All right, lots to tackle here, and let me start with you, Dr. Sharfstein. Tom Cruise's statement--he says drugs are never the answer, basically, when it comes to psychological and behavioral problems. What do you make of what he had to say about this?

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: Well, Mr. Cruise may be a halfway decent actor, but when he starts to play doctor, he's being totally irresponsible. This is--his statement crossed the line, especially when he took after Brooke Shields, who came forward and described a true, important, medical psychiatric condition, postpartum depression, and her treatment for it, and said that she needed diet and exercise for that. That, I think, is a disservice not only to her, but to psychiatric patients across the country.

COURIC: Doctor Glenmullen, you've written two books, I know, about antidepressants. What do you make of his assertion that they're dangerous, and really should never be prescribed?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Well, I don't agree with everything that Tom said, and I--I'm a psychiatrist, I prescribe the drugs myself, but I think there's a middle ground here. I'm very much a moderate in the debate. And I think we don't want to lose sight of the fact that he did, in fact, raise some very important issues.

COURIC: Like what? What do you think is important?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Ritalin. Ritalin and Adderall are being used as street drugs.

COURIC: But so are some painkillers, to be perfectly honest. Does that mean that painkillers shouldn't be prescribed?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: But--but patients should be told. They should be told when they start these drugs. Psychiatric drugs can mask the real problems. Psychiatric drugs are being overprescribed. He's right when he actually says that there are no proven biochemical imbalances. [Damn, straight from the Harvard shrink. I guess that proves that the the 'anti propoganda' is not generated by scientology.] Everyone's shocked by that, but it's true, and we don't want to lose sight of the very real issues that he's raised.

COURIC: Well, let me talk to Dr. Sharfstein about that. What about--he said there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance. Tell us your reaction to that.

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: Well, that's total nonsense. It belies the last 20 years of incredible breakthroughs in neuroscience and our understanding of how the brain works, and the fact that the medications that we use are very helpful--often very helpful. [Not the point buddy. Where's the beef? Serve up the research that proves biochemical imbalance. And then prove the research is unbiased and conducted with the utmost integrity.] I also take the middle ground.  :lol: Obviously, often these medications are overprescribed. But also, I think they're underprescribed because there are many people out there who have not come forward for treatment who could benefit from the medication.

COURIC: I just have to, Dr. Glenmullen, ask you, if you believe--if you agree with him there's no such thing as a chemical...

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Right.

COURIC: ...brain imbalance...

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Right.

COURIC: ...then why are you prescribing antidepressants?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Well, they clearly help. I've seen them help patients. There are studies that show they help, but...

COURIC: Well, obviously, are they helping with brain chemistry?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Well, we don't know that. It's never been proven. [How many times must the man say it. I appreciate his honesty.] Do you know that the FDAs in other countries have actually banned pharmaceutical companies and doctors from making that claim because it's actually never been proven. So it's misleading to tell a patient, `You have an biochemical imbalance. This drug is going to correct that imbalance.' It's in TV ads, it's in magazine ads. It's said all the time in doctor's offices. That's why people--millions of people are shocked by what Tom Cruise said, but that is actually true.

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: I disagree. [Then serve up the proof Dr. Sharfstein.] And this is the kind of scientific debate that we are having within the field of psychiatry that's constructive. That's very different than Mr. Cruise's assertions, which I think are destructive.

COURIC: What about the whole notion of vitamins and exercise? Does he have a point that there are alternatives to medication?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Absolutely. There is an excellent study comparing, for example, the antidepressant Zoloft to exercise for mild to moderate depression. Same kind of studies that are used to study the drugs for approval for FDA, and exercise was as good as Zoloft head-to-head in a study. Now, if you're are severely depressed, you may not have the energy to exercise. But once you're feeling a little bit better, maybe on an antidepressant, exercise can be one of the best ways to help you wean off an antidepressant.

COURIC: Do you agree with that?

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: I certainly do. I--I'm very much in favor of exercise. But as Dr. Glenmullen said, and this is where we certainly agree, that when you get--are severely depressed, medications are very important.

COURIC: Let's talk about Ritalin and Adderall, because not only did he talk about antidepressants, he talked about medications that have been used for millions of kid for ADD and ADHD. And--and do you think that there are--that there's any useful purpose? Again, I think we can even state they're over-prescribed, perhaps. Maybe doctors turn to them too quickly. Having said that, do they have any value?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Oh, absolutely. Again, the middle ground is really the place to come on this. So there's no question that some children are so hyperactive that they really can't benefit from school. They can't take information in. But at the same time, it's also true that many children who get these drugs, it's because the classroom is too big and there aren't enough teachers, and maybe the family situation is a little out of control, and they need help and support and therapy, maybe, instead of the drugs. So again, we just need to strike a middle ground. You know, Katie, these are not black and white issues.

COURIC: Right.

Dr. GLENMULLEN: And it's very important not try and limit them to black and white.

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: You know, kids with attention deficit disorder need more than the medications. They need psychotherapy. They need family interventions, work with the teachers. But just ask any parent of a child with attention deficit disorder, and they will tell you how important these medications are.

COURIC: But also therapy is so important, too. And when Tom Cruise says these medications sometimes mask the cause, too often doctors these days are doling out antidepressants or some things like Ritalin and Adderall and other drugs without the necessary counseling to kind of work with kids on issues that can't be cured with a pill, right?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Absolutely. And you know, people get very passionate about this. You know, if you took a hundred people who went on an antidepressant and felt better, the science shows that 75 to 85 of them would have had the same thing happen on a sugar bill--if they were given a sugar pill...[Damn, that's significant!! How bout they give the teens who are dx'd with depression via Teen Screen the sugar pill. They are so suggestable, it might work for 100% of them.]

COURIC: A placebo.

Dr. GLENMULLEN: ...and they didn't know it was a placebo. The placebo effect is very powerful. It's very persuasive. People really feel, `Wow, this really helped me.' So, again, we need to just educate people so they can make truly informed choices. [Now THAT sounds like the middle ground. Don't lie to people. Inform them about all potential adverse affects, advise them of alternatives. Try the placebo. If it doesn't work, then present the option of drugs. Perhaps the APA should demand this of all shrinkydinks, and those found in violation loose their license.]

COURIC: And really have a more balanced view of this, but not necessarily throw the baby out with the bath water.

Dr. GLENMULLEN: No, no. No. Absolutely. Again, a moderate position. They help many, many people, but they also are over-prescribed. They have side effects that people aren't often told about. They have dangers that people aren't often told about. And there are, as you said, alternatives.

COURIC: When you say dangers, real quickly, what do you mean?

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Well, for example, with antidepressants, we now have a warning that they can make people suicidal. People gain 20, 30, 40 pounds of weight. [Go on. Don't stop there.]

COURIC: And very quickly...

Dr. GLENMULLEN: People have severe withdrawal. Serious side effects. [Death 'is' a pretty serious side effect.]

COURIC: We're almost out of time. I'm so sorry. But Dr. Sharfstein, I have to give you the last word with about 10 seconds to go.

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: Well, I believe that antidepressants save lives. I've treated patients for over 30 years. I've seen how useful they are. I think if you need it, you ought to take it. I think that's really critical.

COURIC: But also be educated about it, I think.

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: Be educated about it. You know the reason people get pills these days and not therapy is because of--of the insurance. And...

COURIC: And that's a whole 'nother can of worms, which we can't talk about this morning. Dr. Glenmullen, Dr. Sharfstein, thank you both so much.

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: Thank you.

Dr. GLENMULLEN: Thank you for having us.

Dr. SHARFSTEIN: My pleasure.

COURIC: You're welcome.

And we'll be back with more of TODAY right after this.
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« Reply #231 on: June 27, 2005, 08:54:00 PM »
GREAT post. You know, as I started reading the transcript and I noticed the two guests, I really was starting to wonder why Deborah of all people had posted this. Head of the American Psychiatry Association, I thought for sure he would portray Cruise an idiot, and talk about how wonderful medications are. I mean, that is basically what psychiatry has become is it not, prescribing meds? (at least in my experience) I tried a lot of anti-depressants, and I never felt a thing. Accept to my pocketbook that is.

Personally, I think Cruise is a freak. But he has a few good points. The way parents prescribe meds to their children is shocking to me. I don't think children should be forced to mend into a uniform schooling system by drugging them. This is Orwellian scary if you ask me. If anything, the schooling system should be changed to adapt to the needs of children.

I've met people with the needs for meds (voices, hallucinations, etc) but I still can't believe they admit they haven't scientifcally proven the 'chemical imbalance' theory. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told I had a chemical imbalance by a psychiatrist. Insanity I tell you.

Thanks for the good read!
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« Reply #232 on: June 27, 2005, 09:59:00 PM »
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I've met people with the needs for meds (voices, hallucinations, etc) but I still can't believe they admit they haven't scientifcally proven the 'chemical imbalance' theory.





Look at any PDR, it states action unkown on many medications, not just psychotropics.

On a short sound bite type interview, it is difficult to explain it more thoroughly.

These medications do have a reproducible effect.

I don't think Science has ever stated we are done here.

If you want to wait until there is further proof that is satisfactory to you, then wait, your choice.

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I am glad Deborah was able to post the whole interview without being accused of flooding.

If I can find the original interview, I will post it.
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« Reply #233 on: June 27, 2005, 10:14:00 PM »
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I thought for sure he would portray Cruise an idiot, and talk about how wonderful medications are.



You might have noticed the psychiatrist allowing Tom to have his own opinion.

That is not the problem here, it is Tom's invalidating Brook Shield's choice of taking
her own remedy for depression, as well as others.
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« Reply #234 on: June 27, 2005, 10:15:00 PM »
Please note, it is not that Tom Cruise has an opion on what what mental illness is, or is not, it is that he is invalidating others choices ...

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Today on Today: Tom Cruise Takes On Matt Lauer?s Thetans
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With Katie Holmes supportively sitting nearby, today?s Today show forced poor Matt Lauer to sit down for a taped interview with Tom Cruise, more of which will air on Monday. But we can?t imagine Monday will get much better than today?s segment; as Lauer put it, things ?got a little tense? when Tom was asked about his anti-psychiatric views:

Tom: [with patented ferocity] Do you know what Adderall is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? [Ed: Oh, har har. We?re on Ritalin right now.]
Matt: I understand the abuse of all these things ?
T: [interrupting] Yeah but you don?t understand the history of these drugs. And if you do, you know that it masks the problem. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance!
M: But ?
T: No, Matt, I know these things ?
M: No ?
T: Listen ?
[This continues for a few moments and we stop listening.]
M: So, depression ? is it all gobbledy gook?

T: No, Matt, I?m not saying that. That?s an alteration of what I?m saying. These drugs are dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. There are ways of handling these problems so that we don?t end up in a Brave New World.
M: You want [other people] to do well, but you want them to do well on a road that you approve of.
T: No ?
M: [interrupting] But if anti-depressants worked for Brooke Shields, isn?t that okay?
T: I disagree with it.
M: But aren?t there examples where it works?
T: You don?t even know what Ritalin is! If you read the papers on how they came up with the drug, the dosage? You should be more responsible in knowing what it is. I am responsible. I know these things.
M: You?re saying that you know how it affected people you don?t know, but I do? You?re now telling me that what has and hasn?t worked for people I know, and I?m telling you I lived with these people and I saw an improvement.
T: So you?re advocating?
M: No, I?m not. I?m just saying that in their individual cases, it helped them? We could go in circles on this matter. But do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is that a goal of yours?
T: Of course. And I don?t talk about things I don?t understand.
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« Reply #235 on: June 27, 2005, 10:36:00 PM »
Neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman http://www.adhdfraud.com/ weighs in:

Fred Baughman <> wrote:
Today, 6/27/05, in an interview on the Today Show (in follow-up to the previous Cruise Matt Lauer interview in which Mr. Cruise called psychiatry "pseudoscience")  Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, a Harvard psychiatrist confirmed
that while ads and, routinely, psychiatrist/ physician encounters portray psychiatric disorders/diagnoses as chemical imbalances, i.e.,
diseases--something abnormal within the brain of the child, none of them are--not a single one, not even schizophrenia or the psychoses, much less
ADHD or any childhood disorder.  

Psychiatrist Steven Sharfstein of the American Psychiatric Association had no comeback for this, most damning of disclosures, but went on talking of them just as though they were (chemical
imbalances) just as though they needed, required, justified chemical balancers--psychiatric drugs.  Mr. Cruise rightly said that the drugs cover
up, mask real-life situational challenges leading to behaviorial and emotional reactions, and right he is.  But, most importantly of all, every
drug--psychiatric drugs included--is a foreign compound--a poison.  They mask emotional and behavioral reactions by damaging the brain both short-and long-term with virtually all of them inflicting permanent brain damage in time...but of course they do not do long term studies so they don't know and the public doesn't know or find out for years when post-marketing
surveillance makes it impossible to hide the injuries and deaths as we saw recent with Adderall (Canada Health but not the FDA taking it off of the market), and, with thalidomide, Vioxx, Rezulin, Baycol, and others.

The main point about the "chemical imbalance" lie is that virtually all parents, parent surrogates (judges) and thus patients in psychiatry/mental
health are thus robbed of their right to informed consent, making them involutary conscripts, pawns, victims--usually for life as it turns out in US mental health today.
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« Reply #236 on: June 28, 2005, 12:37:00 AM »
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On 2005-06-27 19:36:00, Deborah wrote:

"Neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman http://www.adhdfraud.com/ weighs in:




OK, Deborah, it appears from here:
http://www.google.com/search?biw=791&hl ... gle+Search

That you have been relentless on this issue since at least 2003, wow, and you have no invovement?
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« Reply #237 on: June 28, 2005, 12:43:00 AM »
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On 2005-06-27 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"GREAT post. You know, as I started reading the transcript and I noticed the two guests, I really was starting to wonder why Deborah of all people had posted this. Head of the American Psychiatry Association, I thought for sure he would portray Cruise an idiot, and talk about how wonderful medications are. I mean, that is basically what psychiatry has become is it not, prescribing meds? (at least in my experience) I tried a lot of anti-depressants, and I never felt a thing. Accept to my pocketbook that is.



Personally, I think Cruise is a freak. But he has a few good points. The way parents prescribe meds to their children is shocking to me. I don't think children should be forced to mend into a uniform schooling system by drugging them. This is Orwellian scary if you ask me. If anything, the schooling system should be changed to adapt to the needs of children.



I've met people with the needs for meds (voices, hallucinations, etc) but I still can't believe they admit they haven't scientifcally proven the 'chemical imbalance' theory. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told I had a chemical imbalance by a psychiatrist. Insanity I tell you.



Thanks for the good read!"


To view the interview, go to:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8375594/#MoreCruise

Then scan down and click the blue highlighted:
"Click here to watch video of the counter debate over anti-depressants and psychiatry."
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« Reply #238 on: June 28, 2005, 08:27:00 AM »
The Mental Health Community Responds to Tom Cruise?s Today Show Interview

?While we respect the right of individuals to express their own points of view, they are not entitled to their own facts.  Mental illnesses are real medical conditions that affect millions of Americans.  

FACT:   Over the past five years, the nation has more than doubled its investment in the study of the human brain and behavior, leading to a vastly expanded understanding of postpartum depression, bipolar disorder and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.  Much of this research has been conducted by the National Institutes of Health and the nation?s leading academic institutions.

FACT:   Safe and effective treatments are available and may include talk therapy, medication or a combination of the two.  Rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research clearly demonstrates that treatment works.

FACT:   Medications can be an important and even life-saving part of a comprehensive and individualized treatment plan.  As in other areas of medicine, medications are a safe and effective way to improve the quality of life for millions of Americans who have mental health concerns.  

FACT:   Mental health is a critical ingredient of overall health.  It is unfortunate that in the face of this remarkable scientific and clinical progress that a small number of individuals and groups persist in questioning its legitimacy.

FACT:   Mental illnesses are highly treatable and seeking help is a sign of strength.  

It is irresponsible for Mr. Cruise to use his movie publicity tour to promote his own ideological views and deter people with mental illness from getting the care they need.?
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« Reply #239 on: June 28, 2005, 08:29:00 AM »
War of the Words: Tom Cruise's Messages on the Today Show Perpetuate Fear and Misinformation

A Statement by Michael M. Faenza, MSSW, President and CEO of NMHA

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (June 24, 2005) - Tom Cruise's destructive, anti-mental health comments on the Today Show this morning -- and over the course of the last few weeks -- fuel an already intense stigma associated with mental illness that can force people with real needs to go without care.

Each year, 54 million Americans experience a mental illness, such as depression or an anxiety disorder. Yet, only one-third receive any treatment at all despite very high treatment success rates. In fact, the President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health wrote in its final report, "Mental illnesses are shockingly common; they affect almost every American family." Clearly, the real crisis facing our nation is not that we over- or mistreat people, but that we fail to meet basic needs of most Americans living with mental health problems. The gap between the number of adults and children with mental health needs and those receiving treatment will certainly widen if people are dissuaded from seeking treatment because of such visible misinformation.

Cruise's comments could have very damaging consequences for American with mental health needs by increasing stigma and shame, discouraging treatment and forcing people to go without needed care. Celebrities, like Cruise, have an organic platform to share their talents and their viewpoints. However, this opportunity comes hand-in-hand with a responsibility to not mislead the American public with unfounded rhetoric.

The National Mental Health Association is the country´s oldest and largest nonprofit organization addressing all aspects of mental health and mental illness. With more than 340 affiliates nationwide, NMHA works to improve the mental health of all Americans through advocacy, education, research and service.
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