An unfortunate case...

[MelissaR]

In an effort to assist someone in convincing his girlfriend's parents to release her from Spring Creek Lodge, I fowarded my very personal, and very emotional college application essay to him. It eventually ended up in the hands of his girlfriend's parents... and then onto their daughter's family rep. The family rep was a staff of mine on the facility...

Of course she slathered on that I am "dramatic" and "decietful", and the parents discredited my experience entirely.


I think they must have a new seminar called "Preparing our staff from Melissa Rein's attempts to expose the truth single-handedly"


I've been out over a year.. and I'm still spending hours a week trying to help and assist.

You haven't seen me around here in awhile... everything is so corrupt. Carey's still running her jaw, as far as I can see. Newcomers beware... By the way.. why do we allow her here? That's like me getting on the BBS and reporting the information to Huron.... am I allowed to do that? HELL NO!

I'm running out of ideas. ISAC is bogus, I've said that from day one. Richard Tisch smells fishy to me, and althouh his website is informative... it's not nearly as clear or concise as it should be to make a real impact. Propaganda is rampant. I haven't heard a peep from the PR company... But I know that they've done some serious encryption of WWASP information... I can't access even the most basic of webpages without passwords.

A little disheveled,
Melissa

[Anonymous]

Man, that sucks Melissa - but remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Keep the faith.  God is watching.  

 :wave:

[Anonymous]

are you sure you didn't forward your document to carey?  she has a habit of providing others with personal information that belong to others...you may want to check out the girls parents names,,,not bock is it?

if it is, you've been snitched out by ole carey herself!

[Anonymous]

isac is bogus
tisch smelly fishy

a bit paranoid, aren't you mellisa?

to the people at isac:  thank you. you are helping.

[Froderik]

Why is ISAC bogus? Sorry if you've explained this already in an earlier post...but the ol' search thingy is known not to woik to well alla tyme..

[Antigen]

"Scoundrels are predictable, but you're a man of honor and that frightens me."--Robert Heinlein, Glory Road.

I think the biggest trouble here is that there are so many very sincere people all fighting for nobel and worthy causes, but at odds with eachother.

I know some of the ISAC ppl for decades and believe they're totally dedicated and sincere. I also think they got a little hoodwinked here lately. But that doesn't make them evil people.

I don't know Titsch at all, except by way of what he's said about himself. I actually like the guy. Won't swear to anybody that he's not up to something. But I haven't seen any sign of it myself.

Don't know you either, Melissa, except from forum postings. But I think you're a damned good kid trying to assist the injured in a train wreck that you barely got out of intact. My advice to you would be to take your time.

I know it seems like a dire emergency and something MUST be done NOW to save these families, foil the villians and all. But the fact is that this has been going on for over 30 years. Just tip the ball when it comes into your zone, pace yourself, don't let WWASP or anyone else take from you anything more than you want to give. If you don't know Titsch or ISAC well enough to trust them, don't trust them. Wait. Watch. Think. Make up your mind when you've got enough info and you're comfortable with your conclusions.

Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
--Friedrich Nietzsche

[Antigen]

On 2003-11-13 21:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"are you sure you didn't forward your document to carey?  

Prime example, folks. No one's talking about Carey or PURE here, asshole! We're talking about something important. Seems you'd rather we only ever talk about this stupid brawl of yours instead. Why is that? Are you afraid if we forget all about your little feud we might stumble onto something you'd rather we didn't notice?

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions.  The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting;  2. fleeing;  3.feeding; and  4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course

[Froderik]

Prime example, folks. No one's talking about Carey or PURE here, asshole! We're talking about something important. Seems you'd rather we only ever talk about this stupid brawl of yours instead. Why is that?

But it seems like this is all about Carey, PURE, ISAC, and WWASP. I don't see anon as being OT.

[Froderik]

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[Antigen]

Sorry, I must have skipped over that comment.


Carey is allowed here for all the same reasons anyone else is. Frankly, if I were going to ban anyone for bad conduct, some of the people who've been so obnoxious toward her would be the first to go.

But I'm not going to ban anyone. Who am I to tell you what you may or may not read or write? And why would I want to spend time and energy trying to untangle all these messy conflicts and then engage in a game of cat and mouse trying to keep people from saying what they want?

It's up to you, the reader, to decide what to make of anything you read here.

If there's a worse idea going than locking people up for drug use, it's probably locking them up in close proximity to some tyranical altruist who wants to 'help' them with a problem that probably doesn't exist
-- Ginger Warbis
having had about all the help I can stand!

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American drug war P.O.W.
   10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous

[RichTitsch]

Melissa:

Why in the world would you start-up with me? What's fishy about what I have said or done?  My goal is to present information coupled with my belief that the Tranquility Bay Program is dangerous, the person in charge has no credentials to run the place, and that the methodology used in the "treatment" of these kids is more akin to torture than treatment.  I've spent money putting up the Board, driving to Treasure Beach, returning many calls, sending FEDEX, faxes and speaking to a wide variety of people.  I have no children or relatives that have ever been in the program and I am not affiliated with WWASP, PURE, ISAC or anyone else.  I'm just a guy who is saying (forgive me Frod 13 for borrowing your vernacular) that this is totally fucked-up, it has to stop and it needs to be done now.

Also, I was introduced to this situation simply by reading a law case; to wit, State v. VanBlarigan(which I do in the course of being a Legal Assistant) and then speaking to the very kind-hearted, now deceased Donna H. (http://www.intrepidnetreporter.com)who asked me to investigate and write an article for her extremely laudable webnewspaper.

As far as your criticism concerning my bulletin board, it's received nearly 130 hits a day and has only been open for 12 days.  Evidently, there are those who do like it, find it informative and come back frequently.

If I were more like FROD (and a lot of times I wish I were) you would be getting the exact same tongue-lashing that he's been handing-out all over tonight on this board (it's a compliment FROD).

So, you had no problem characterizing me as suspicious, with no evidence.  That's truly unbelievable.  Please do some fact-checking before you post your next unverified, unfounded, stupid, ill-mannered comment about me or anyone else.  My goal, once again, is to alert everyone I can about the existence of Tranquility Bay and, if possible, put a quick stop to the very questionable treatment method being used by the former gas-station attendant running the place.

Actually Melissa, you're more silly, than you are disheveled!

Richard Titsch III

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[Deborah]

Get used to it, Don't take it personally, if you're going to work for change in this industry. Ignore the attacks, or simply state your position (over and over and over) and let time show who you are and what your agenda is. As I have said before, having had contact with this industry it is common for one to possess skepticism (some call paranoia). Victims don't know who to trust.

FYI, you may get further attacked for this comment:
and then speaking to the very kind-hearted, now deceased Donna H. http://www.intrepidnetreporter.com)who asked me to investigate and write an article for her extremely laudable webnewspaper.
I can't imagine you don't know, but in case you don't, the new address for Intrepid is http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com (plural)
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As you may or may not know, Donna had a relationship with Sue of PURE. Sue rescued her website when WWASP jacked it after her death. For that, we all owe Sue thanks. The site is a treasure chest of information. But, you have just opened a can of worms and may be attacked as being a PUREist. Ignore the attacks, unless you have time to waste talking into a black hole.

Anyway, put on some armour and keep going. You're doing a great service for the youth that are in these programs and may save some kids the unpleasant experience in the future. I appreciate your efforts, and hope time does prove that you are who you say you are. I personally get a good feeling, but who knows, I've been duped before. We humans seem to have an inherent NEED to trust.


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[RichTitsch]

Deb-

Thanks for your post and for the warning about my comments regards Donna.

Just for the record - anyone out there - my rapport with Donna H. had nothing to do with Sue S.  After Donna passed-away, Sue called me in response to an email I sent to Donna (regretably, I wasn't aware of Donna's death.)

Not that I am suggesting there's anything wrong with Sue (I don't know her well enough and she's been pleasant the few times we talked); however, we are not fused.  I am very proud, however, to have known Donna, and that should not be held against me or anyone else.

Deb, again I appreciate your post and the warning.

Rich

[Anonymous]

Hey Rich, as a fellow legal beagle, I have had a chance to review the WWASPS v. PURE court case.  Have you seen the docket on this one? If not, I would recommend you (or anyone else) do so. Some of the more recent motions are highly relevant to the current discussion (using the term loosely) at hand.  Let me know your thoughts, if you care to share.  Folks have already been encouraged to tune in to the PACER System for access to the full court record but I have yet to see any discussion on the merits of this case by either party.  That's a shame IMHO, though perhaps Deborah is correct.  People aren't interested in rational discourse or even debating an issue from a legal perspective.

[RichTitsch]

Thanks Anon.  I subscribe to PACER and I'll look tonight.

Someone has already called me on the phone and we spoke regards Melissa's comments (not Deb).  Deb's right on me acquiring a "thick-skin"; however, I think people here can engage in serious discussion - we're doing it.  You just gave me a great suggestion, and I'm following-up right away.

From my prospective, it should be easy to tell the white hats from the black, and the personal attack was more than unwarranted!  I expect to be fighting the pro-wwaspers and some other loons, but not people pulling in the same direction as me.

Hope we talk again!

Rich