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« on: November 11, 2003, 05:34:00 PM »
Over the last year, I have been in contact with many from ISAC, and many from trekkers.

Carey, could you please show me actual proof...

 - How everyone that was on the trekkers listserve is associated with PURE.

 - How ISAC is in bed with PURE.

I would also like to know why you think that sharing with WWASP all your correspondence from fellow parents that are trying to save other children from these wrongs, will help the kids that are still at these facilities.  How do you think a person affiliated with WWASP would be treated by them if they started sharing their internal e-mails with us?
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2003, 06:33:00 PM »
PROOF...that is a funny one.  Do you know what proof is?  You Anon's expect so much of me and yet give so little of yourselves.  But then that is to be expected.  Those who hide have a reason to hide.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2003, 06:46:00 PM »
ISAC used to be my hero. But they have lost all credibility.  Thank God for Fornits and Wes's website.  PURE is a program-referral business, not a child rights advocacy group, or can one be both?  

JUST CURIOUS...
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2003, 07:40:00 PM »
Carey,
Why is PROOF a funny one? Yes I know what it means.  Why do you deflect all the time.  Just because we post under Anon does not mean we are not credible.  I am not hiding, I asked for proof in an adult manner and all you ever do is deflect.

This is serious, what proof do you have to back your statements.  Please answer my questions to help me understand why you make them.  What do I expect of you, to please let us know why you say what you say, and the proof behind it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2003, 07:53:00 PM »
I have asked many a questions without any answers from Anons such as yourself.  I have not gotten any answers, just the continued BS.  If you go back and answer my questions and dislose who you are, then I will answer yours.  Until then you are a nobody and you don't deserve an answer.

And yes posting as an Anon does make you less than creditable.  It tells everyone that you are afraid to say who you are.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2003, 09:26:00 PM »
Anon, why did ISAC set up the new forum? They said why when they posted here (anonymously) to announce it's opening. It was because they see the questions regarding PURE as attacks on them and as tantamount to working for WWASP.

When I posted saying I didn't much apreciate the implied threat behind posting Carey's SS#, within a few minutes a member of ISAC contacted me and asked me if it were true that I'd gone "pro WWASP". Then they proceeded to try and convince me that to question PURE is to do the work of WWASP.

And what difference does it make anyway? And why the paranoia? ISAC used to talk fondly of PURE on their website. Now they don't. No explanation. Not even any denial of the fact. Obviously, some people are affiliated with PURE in some way. But, for some damned reason, if anybody asks about the nature of the relatonship ya'll respond asif it's an accusation of some serious crime. What's that all about?

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2003, 09:35:00 PM »
Isn't it obvious ISAC sold it's soul to the devil?
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2003, 10:13:00 PM »
No, I think they're getting taken for a ride. That's all. On the bright side, at least this might illustrate to a lot of people how easy it is to fall prey to a virulent strain of "higher purpose" disease.

To the extent that a society limits its government to policing functions which curb the individuals who engage in aggressive and criminal actions, and conducts its economic affairs on the basis of free and willing exchange, to that extent domestic peace prevails. When a society departs from this norm, its governing class begins, in effect, to make war upon the rest of the nation. A situation is created in which everyone is victimized by everyone else under the fiction of each living at the expense of all.

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2003, 11:58:00 PM »
In a nutshell, what the hell is PURE? In like 40 words or less would be cool...
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2003, 12:29:00 AM »
Here ya go:
http://www.helpyourteens.com

Does that count as one long word, or maybe four seperate ones?

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2003, 12:48:00 AM »
Does ISAC know or even care that PURE sanctions the use of transport agencies?  Their (ISAC's) website says they are opposed to this practice.  What gives? Why the double-speak?  Could it be ISAC is playing everybody for a fool?

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2003, 09:59:00 AM »
Thank you Antigen for the link to PURE's site. Not having the time or desire to fully delve into the bowels of what this organization is about, I'll leave that up to those of you who do. But from what I can see, that is to say my first impression, this organization seems like a crock of shit. Just my 2ยข; what do I know. I leave it up to the rest of you to prove me right or wrong on this one. But it seems fishy. I guess I have trust issues when it comes to things like this...  :lol:

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2003, 11:13:00 AM »
Trust Issues?  OR healthy skepticism?

Trust is proven over time. I personally don't trust anyone who supports the warehousing of teens. I don't consider that an "issue", as in a personal flaw, or a position that may not be rational- my position based on the experience of 6 people who were incarcerated, and not one happy outcome, in fact one was killed. Programs and advocates would like parents and others to think they have an "issue" if they don't trust. Reminds me of how Ford Motor Co gives psych labels and sanctions to labor when they challenge management.

If a program showed that they did not censor mail and telephone calls; provided a public phone for residents use; did not deny visits for "therapeutic" reasons; did not limit calories, assign work detail, torture or restrain, or further isolate the teen for punishment; did not use BM techniques; accepted only teens who wanted to be there; etc., then they MIGHT deserve to be "trusted". Many things about the way the industry operates are not kosher, that warrants skepticism.

If one doesn't see it that way, I'd have to wonder if they are ignorant (in the true sense of the word) or supportive of the abusive tactics or have been brainwashed to blindly trust.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2003, 01:33:00 PM »
Right on. I'm with you, and thanks for the kind words. Of course, I was being facetious when I said I had trust issues...
Peace, FR13
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2003, 02:33:00 PM »
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On 2003-11-11 21:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Does ISAC know or even care that PURE sanctions the use of transport agencies?  Their (ISAC's) website says they are opposed to this practice.  What gives? Why the double-speak?  Could it be ISAC is playing everybody for a fool?



 :flame: "


If they don't know, they must be trying hard not to. It's right on PURE's front page, after all. But they don't say anything about it.

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