ISAC'S Invision Power Board is CONTOLLED

[Carey]

Isac's Invision Power Board practices control and restraint.  The practices they use are very similar to the practices of those who they oppose.  If you visit their forum you will only hear and be told what they want you to hear and be told.  There is no room for independent thought and reform.  

Why would anyone want to be a part of a group who aims to control the thoughts of others?  

Isac is not for everyone it is only for those who support Sue Scheff and PURE, Inc.  It is only for those who will protect and promote her position as an ed "con artist."

Isac lied to me about their affiliation with PURE.  They claimed to not have any association with Sue.  However, that was not the case.  Yes they removed her link to her website from their website however, they have remained in contact with her throughout this whole senario.  That tells me, Isac is not in it for the kids.  If they were Sue would not be someone with whom they would associate.

Isac will claim that I am hurting children by speaking out against Sue.  They will claim that I am pro WWASP because I am speaking out against Sue.  They will make these claims and yet they will not explain how exactly my telling about my families experience with Sue hurts children.  

I am going to post MY email from Iasc telling me that my membership has been declined.  (They seem to think that because of the clause they put at the bottom it means that I can not share it with others.  That is not true.  Once the email is sent to me, it is mine.  They can not tell me who I can or who I can't share it with.  Once sent to me it becomes my property...not theirs.)

Subj: RE: Registration at Invision Power Board  
Date: 11/10/03 9:51:08 PM Central Standard Time
From: Careycbock@aol.com, http://www.isaccorp.com

No one should be abused in the name of treatment !

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-----Original Message-----
From: isac@tampabay.rr.com
Subject: Re: Registration at Invision Power Board


In a message dated 11/10/03 8:53:28 PM Central Standard Time, http://www.isaccorp.com/forums/index.ph ... 1e80f3b812


I can not log in.  Is there a problem?  Can you help me out?

Carey

Marti, what have I done that has made you decide to not allow me membership on your board?  The postings on it are public, not private, so why decline my application?  Is it because I have shared my bad experience with the PUREst, those individulas who support other abusive programs? If not, then why?

By the way, Marti I sent another email to you asking why my membership request was being denied.  Can you share why, if it is not because I have shared my families experience with Sue/PURE, Bozak, Amberly and Dundee, then what is the reason?

One more thing...I found this quote on the first page of the ISAC website:

ISAC is dedicated to obtaining BOTH sides of the story where possible.

It seems that must have been put on your website by mistake.  You may want to remove that quote from ISAC's front page of the website.  Afterall, you don't want to be seen as a liar, do you?  You obviously are not interested in both sides of the story.  

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[Anonymous]

Who is Marti?  And why didn't ISAC ever publish the court records on the WWASPS v. PURE lawsuit? What are they afraid of?

[Anonymous]

Well thank goodness there is a place were like minded people can go and be free from the likes of you.

Yeah, its yours, and you can do as you wish with it - and what you do with it is hand it directly over to the wwasp lawyers.

No one is afraid you, you goofy woman.

You are despised and laughed at.

No one is worried about what you might do next, because there is nothing left for you to do.

Your a monster full of hate and its a relief to be able to freely debate issues without your dark hulking presence forever threatening to smash in.

There are plenty of boards for you were you'll be welcome. I suggest the BBS.

[Carey]

its a relief to be able to freely debate issues

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

"Freely debate issues"  who is free to debate them?  Those who think like you.  Where is the debate in that?  Do you know what debate means?  Obviously not!!!

[Anonymous]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!


Ilove it.

What goes around coms around they say.

Why are you not welcomed? Because you are a SNITCH.

[Anonymous]

Do you really think I am hurt because I can not post on the ISAC board?  Yeah, you probably do!

I knew they would not be open to opinions outside of their own.  Remember that is why they started the board.  I asked to become a member knowing I would be rejected only to show that they are affiliated with the the PUREst.  Afterall, it is only the PUREst who fear my telling the truth. Why would ISAC fear my telling of my experience other than of course Marti's involvment in posting the thread on my social security number and her false claims about me using someone elses social security number.  But then there is that link that has been established between PURE and ISAC.

ISAC has offered no explanation as to why I can not post on their board. I have never done anything other than share my experience.

I promise Anon, I am not bothered or surprised by ISAC's answer.  No, there answer is a testiment to their agenda.  What it does is it says  something about who they are and what they DON'T stand for.  I don't need to post on ISAC's site.  Obviously you and a whole lot more others read this site as you and others know, people here are FREE to express thier opinions without the "control freaks" ability to stop them.

[Carey]

That was me.

[Anonymous]

Says:
They seem to think that because of the clause they put at the bottom it means that I can not share it with others. That is not true. Once the email is sent to me, it is mine. They can not tell me who I can or who I can't share it with. Once sent to me it becomes my property...not theirs

And:
Do you know what a snitch is? It is an informer. Yep, that is me
And:
I will give any and all information I have on PURE and Trekers to WWASP. What ever they have not picked up here on this forum, they are welcome to. Why? Why not?

I say:
 I hope everyone will take note and be very careful she or anyone she consorts with never again have access to anything the least bit sensitive.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-11-11 10:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Do you really think I am hurt because I can not post on the ISAC board?  Yeah, you probably do!



I knew they would not be open to opinions outside of their own.  Remember that is why they started the board.  I asked to become a member knowing I would be rejected only to show that they are affiliated with the the PUREst.  Afterall, it is only the PUREst who fear my telling the truth. Why would ISAC fear my telling of my experience other than of course Marti's involvment in posting the thread on my social security number and her false claims about me using someone elses social security number.  But then there is that link that has been established between PURE and ISAC.



ISAC has offered no explanation as to why I can not post on their board. I have never done anything other than share my experience.



I promise Anon, I am not bothered or surprised by ISAC's answer.  No, there answer is a testiment to their agenda.  What it does is it says  something about who they are and what they DON'T stand for.  I don't need to post on ISAC's site.  Obviously you and a whole lot more others read this site as you and others know, people here are FREE to express thier opinions without the "control freaks" ability to stop them.





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Carey, whoever posted your SS# is missing a few screws, to say the least. As for the ISAC board, you aren't missing much if the discussion is not open to people with an opinion that does not mirror the moderator's or the participants, it's a sham.

[Froderik]

How about just letting Carey post there? That way maybe this dead horse could go back to sleep...

[spots]

On 2003-11-11 20:54:00, Froderik13 wrote:

"How about just letting Carey post there? That way maybe this dead horse could go back to sleep..."

The problem with letting Carey have this bully pulpit as well as posting priveleges on ISAC is that her perspective is so narrow-minded [singularly vindictive, with the mental health of her children taking second place to the personal affront she envisions from this educational consulting (sic) firm].  She would "clutter" the ISAC board like she does this one, preferring to rant against her own PURE demons.

I think there are 2 strong fronts to attack WWASPS and its havoc wreacked on American kids:

1) legislate abuse, because you are spitting in the wind to convince a lot of these *parents* that the WWASPS psychological tactics are terribly damaging to anyone, let alone an emerging teen personality.  

2) stories, anecdotes, rebuttals from personal experience...stuff that investigating parents might need to make an informed decision about their kids' welfare, stuff that is not to be found in WWASPS glossy brochures, the tearful testimonies of clueless [or sadistic] parents, or in the Dead-Or-In-Jail threats of WWASPS marketing.

Where are potential parent/clients going to find out about what really goes on in these facilities?  On one hand, you have a really slick, strong marketing program from WWASPS that most people take at face value (never experiencing this sort of devious and wholesale lying, and not coming at this with the cynicism that we more-experienced folks have).  On the other hand, you have....US???  

When I first became involved with WWASPS when my grandaughter was incarcerated in November 2002, I looked to the Internet.  I found just the beginnings of truthful information about what went on.  As these anecdotal forums, etc. grew, WWASPS squashed them, and there are few remaining.  Fornits was a strong source of information, and the back-and-forth of "real" people and "anons" DID give both sides...and let me decide which to believe.  Then Carey Bock somehow got this hair up her ass and dominated this information source with clap-trap about a company which directed parents to various "child help" facilities that she either a) felt was a bad idea, or b) felt that ...God, I don't know what her problem is with PURE.  [can't wait to hear Ms. Bock's slobbering spitting answer to that statement!]

Anyway, to parents seriously considering placing their child outside the home (bad idea, but....), I want them to know the reality of a WWASPS facility.  Due to the single influence of Ms. Bock, this valuable forum has degenerated into a public circus of one person's imploding universe needing to cry out with rage at SOMETHING.  Only 2000+ kids are currently in WWASPS (maybe much less, what with all the bad press). Only 200 people on the planet even know what the heck PURE is.  Only 2 people in the universe think this issue deserves attention.  

There are a whole lot of teenagers currently "doing time" in WWASPS facilities.  There are a whole lot of teenagers doomed to the same fate unless the public discovers what WWASPS really offers.  There are a whole lot of former teenagers who have given a huge chunk of their past to Straight, The Seed, etc., and they deserve vindication.  It is a crime against humanity to divert this effort because one single woman is sicksicksick.  Please don't sacrifice the small window of truth against the obscene Goliath of money, greed, sadism, and torture that is WWASPS.  Move past Carey Bock and PURE, and recognize the real evil and fight it with all your might.

[Carey]

Only 2000+ kids are currently in WWASPS

Grandma, how many kids do you think are in the programs that PURE refers to?  We really don't know, do we?  She won't even list the schools she refers to.  Why?  Oh yeah, you don't really care if kids are being abused in programs, you are only interested in your own personal revenge against WWASP.

What you all, that is you PUREst, fail to understand and continue to deny is the fact that I am not the problem with your fight against WWASP.  Your problem with the fight against WWASP is your association with PURE.  The problem is that you can not admit that PURE is in the business of hurting kids. You want to hitch your wagon up with someone who is doing exactly what you accuse WWASP of doing.  

Sometimes I really have to wonder what Sue has on all of you parents who support her.  It must be that she has sucked yall all into her legal battle and you can't get out without it costing you just as it is costing her.  I guess that is why you all refer to me as a snitch.  It must be because you all have done something wrong and you are all afraid of being sued by WWASP.  What that is, I don't know.  I would think that as long as you have not been doing something illegal, then what on earth could she or WWASP be holding over your head?

Who knows.  Whatever, it sure seems that what ever I say or do, your panties always seem to be in a wad.

By the way, my boys are doing fine.  Not that you care, but I just thought I would let you know.  My boys have been able to walk away from their experience with a better sense of themselves and  others than I ever thought they would.

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[spots]

Carey said:
Grandma, how many kids do you think are in the programs that PURE refers to?  We really don't know, do we?  She won't even list the schools she refers to.  Why?  Oh yeah, you don't really care if kids are being abused in programs, you are only interested in your own personal revenge against WWASP.
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Carey, I think all BM facilities are harmful.  I target WWASPS (not PURE) because I feel it is has the largest exposure and sort-of "legitimacy" due to clever marketing, actually making it the best target.  A facility like Skyline Journey going down doesn't really have the clout (what, with 10 kids they had to tranfer out when they closed?) to move large numbers of folks to reconsider their options with problem kids. To make major change in the thinking of parents, "Send your kids off and we promise to return compliant robots you'll love", I think one needs to go after the Big Guys.  Obviously it has been way more effective to target cigarette manufacturers (lots of connection with lots of folks, here) as opposed to jumping on the bandwagon against Skoal and Copenhagen, which are equally harmful. I'm picking my battles, and I feel strongly that fighting with one-of-many educational consultants who make some money off really stupid parents is just diluting the energy needed to condemn this whole industry.

As to your comment (and the deflection spoken about earlier, which always seems to zing off wildly from the posting), I can't imagine why you would say:
 
"What you all, that is you PUREst, fail to understand and continue to deny is the fact that I am not the problem with your fight against WWASP.  Your problem with the fight against WWASP is your association with PURE.... You want to hitch your wagon up with someone who is doing exactly what you accuse WWASP of doing.  

Sometimes I really have to wonder what Sue has on all of you parents who support her.  It must be that she has sucked yall all into her legal battle and you can't get out without it costing you just as it is costing her."
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It is obvious to anybody on this forum that I really have a gripe with WWASPS, and that I want that company to die.  How can you equate that with an "association" and a same-thinking perspective as a rather lame educational consulting firm?  Like, I really don't give a damn about some stranger's lawsuit, I have no intention of "hitching my wagon" to the aforementioned lame educational consulting firm, and I am seriously not part of a group working under the direction of the aforementioned lame educational consulting firm.

I hope to expose abuse in behavioral modification facilities, and WWASPS is the easiest to document, among the worst, and the ball is already rolling in that direction. Tactically, hit the main enemy in its most vulnerable spot, the one already weak from public exposure, and don't waste ammo on the little snipers doing minor damage on the sidelines.  

And to your comment..."Oh yeah, you don't really care if kids are being abused in programs"...FOR THAT, MS. BOCK, I AM TRULY OFFENDED AND I'D PUNCH YOU RIGHT IN THE MOUTH IF I COULD.  That is hurtful, untrue, mean and vindictive, without thought, care, compassion, or intelligence.

[Carey]

Sometimes the truth hurts!  If you are out to protect kids then you would be able to admit to the fact that PURE is part of the problem.  You can't.  You know why you can't...well it is because for some reason you and your associates seem to think she holds the key to bringing down WWASP.  She doesn't.  She is hurting your case and my exposing her for what she is is what makes you all so mad.  So as long as you fight your battle along side of Sue, your goal will only be seen as revenge.

By the way your punching me in the mouth is just another testiment to the "control mentality" you personify.  

I don't agree with you on what is important.  No big deal.  You need to go on about your business exposing who you wish to expose and I will go about mine exposing who I feel needs to be exposed.  If you have a huge beef with WWASP and you feel they have done you wrong then do what you will to make them accountable.  But don't fault me for holding accountable those who I feel have done me and my family wrong.

I target WWASPS (not PURE) because I feel it is has the largest exposure and sort-of "legitimacy" due to clever marketing, actually making it the best target.

Grandma, why do you care if I target PURE?  I don't care if you target WWASP.  It does not threaten me in any way.  Why is it that my targeting PURE threatens you? PURE might not be the biggest in the industry and they might not be important to you but they are to me.  Why do you feel that I don't have a right to tell how PURE has exploited me and my family? Why do you think that it is wrong for me to share the truth about my families experience?  Why is it such a thorn in your side?  Be honest with yourself even if it hurts.  

A facility like Skyline Journey going down doesn't really have the clout (what, with 10 kids they had to tranfer out when they closed?)

Oh yeah and Grandma, you forgot to add the one death...but then that is no big deal to you...that is just small potatoes in your scope of what is important.  Afterall, I am sure "ed con artist" like Sue can just send them to one of her other programs.  And if it is small and just one more child dies...then once again... it is just one more small potatoe.  

Sorry, but you don't get to decide for everyone else who needs to be fried!  

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[Anonymous]

Keep the faith and hang tough, Carey. You are on the right track! Spots is a smart-mouthed lady that can't see the wisdom in what you are advocating.  Not to worry.  In time, even she will see the light.

 :wave: