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Offline spots

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« on: October 27, 2003, 07:45:00 PM »
Recent postings are purportedly from a WWASPS survivor and a WWASPS-WannaBe.  I believe the TB survivor, and tend not to believe the Self-Committer.  The postings themselves give a good clue.

The TB survivor spent a year and a half of good high school time working alone, struggling to improve upon English and writing skills. There are some pretty obvious gaps in that kid's writing ability. When I asked my grandaughter (Casa survivor) what she did in "English", she was baffled.  

"Did you have anything to read, like literature?"

"No."

"Well, did you diagram sentences or do writing assignments?"

"No,"

"Well, what did you do?"

"There wasn't anything except a bunch of true-and-false and stuff, so I put the packet back and found something else."

So much for "teaching" at this "school", credentialed only by a bought-and-paid-for, otherwise-unknown credentialing entity.  She has been home for a couple of months and is having major trouble with her Geometry class (like, getting an "F").  I know when she wrote me from Casa that she was flying through a geometry packet, apparently doing well.  

"How come you did so well in that at Casa, and now you're having trouble?"

"In Mexico, we all knew you just had to answer the questions on the test, and everybody knows the questions on the test. You didn't need any 'proofs' for the geometry problems.  [Nobody there could correct such a proof, because the teachers/guards can only go off the check sheet sent from Utah.  Apparently the only thing that can really be "taught" is Spanish, and I have doubts as to the correctness of the staff's language ability...more like Street Spanish.]"

She continues, "Proofs are HARD, and I just can't get it.  [She got a "B" in geometry in Mexico, because you can't get anything less and still "take" the class.]

Parents considering these facilities need to know that education is not one of the things your kid is going to get, beyond the most rudimentary check-off Questions at the End of the Chapter.  And, it appears cheating is rampant.  Spend your money on a tutor and therapist at home, and work toward having a child who will still talk to you when you're old.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2003, 09:06:00 PM »
yeah these programs as a whole don't seem to give much of a shit about education

Family School in NY is not even credited a joke basically just a work camp for kids

Straight...no school at all until 3rd phase if you ever made it to 3rd phase and that was months and months

you would think that they would be on top of education seeing as that is what really makes someone "get ahead" more proof that they don't give a rat ass about kids their future ect

So much for Bush leaving no one behind

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2003, 09:54:00 PM »
No kidding.
Hire a full time tutor who will pick your teen up at school and spend the afternoon with him/her until you get home. A lot cheaper than a program.

Better yet, hire several allies that possess a skill your teen is interested in. Each day could be spent with a different person. Monday afternoon- english/other tutor, Tuesday- a musician or vocalist, Wednesday- an art teacher- the more excentric the better, Thursday- a carpenter, Friday- a jock or trainer, a car mechanic, a martial arts class, a financial whiz (how many kids graduate and can't manage money and don't know what a check book looks like, much less how to balance one), a computer geek, an herbalist or naturalist, a chef or beautician in training, ....you get the idea. There is sooo much valuable resource available for the taking, and college students work cheap, a hell-of-a-lot cheaper than program staff. And they aren't going to break any bones or emotionally damage your teen. Go to your local community college and post your ads TOMORROW. That is-- after you've had the discussion with your teen in which you apologize for limiting their exposure to the real world which is abundant with resources or every variety, and have helped them create a list of interests.

If this culture had any sense or caring about teens, college students would receive credit for spending the afternoon mentoring a teen- not just the "honor students". Despite common belief, teens need as much or more guidance than toddlers. Maybe more. Toddlers are all about exploring and mastering their environment and need little guidance. That can be more difficult for teens. They are virtually invisible in this culture. And they are PISSED. Getting pissed doesn't help so they get hopeless. And hopelessness needs to be suppressed. Walla, drugs and any other activity that allows them to FEEL good, even if "good" is illegal.

If parents had any sense they'd be seeking out these resources for their teens before they bail due to hopelessness and BOREDOM. There is always SOMEthing that excites and interests a teen. Drugs and hanging out are defaults. There isn't a thing wrong with their brains- They don't need "legal" drugs. They need something to GET EXCITED about, something to spark their passion, something that allows them to feel important and a part of society. Help your teen figure out what that is for them. If they don't know, then it's time to experiment. LOTS of emperimentation. They need to try lots of things to start narrowing down their interests. Keep them busy and connected to ANYthing constructive.

Teens are on the verge of being adults and desperately need to test those waters and master some life skills. They really hunger for that. They will need those skills to be successful. They need constructive hobbies that meet their creative needs. They DON'T need a program.

Pay them to balance your checkbook- even if they don't get it right or you don't "need" that service. Employ them to help you balance the family budget.
Pay them to work with you in the afternoon if your employer will allow it.
Pay them to cook dinner for the family- could be better than Mickey D's. (My son could make an awesome stir-fry at 10- bring a tear to my eye, how proud he was. His brother was frying eggs at 6- start to finish.)
Pay them to do any service you currently pay someone else to do that is age and developmentally appropriate. Check with your accountant, many things you pay your teen to do can be written off.

Then teach them how to save for the car they will want when they are of age. DON'T pay for the driving classes. If they aren't motivated to work and save $200 buck, they probably aren't ready for the responsibility of driving. AND Don't give them a car. What does that teach? Matter of fact, don't GIVE them anything but the basic necessities (not talking about deprivation here) beyond the age they are capable of earning money to purchase those things. Don't condition your teen to feel entitled. Entitlement leads to boredom and teaches nothing about the REAL world. A program won't teach anything about the real world either. They will not learn to master their environment. They will learn how to lie and manipulate, and stuff their rage.

Move to a city that has a "School Without Walls". Look for an alternative high school that has passionate, lively teachers that can inspire.

Re-fi the homestead, cash out your IRA, borrow from the grandparents, but DON'T give it to a program. Invest it in your teen in a positive and constructive way. Find them some allies who will help them find their passion.

Want to motivate them to shift from destructive to constructive choices? Show them the WWASP video that aired recently, show them the list of teens who have died at programs, and be sure they know that their destructive choices could land them in such a place-- court ordered of course. Now that's the most appropriate use of a "program" that I can think of.

Stop blaming them. It's not their fault they have been left to fend for themselves. They have arrived at the best choice they could given the circumstances. Have some empathy for their boredom and help them figure out what the hell will bring them pleasure.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2003, 02:54:00 AM »
When I was at Spring Creek Lodge there was a big cheating ring where all you had to do for a test was remember: A, B, A, D, C, A, B, D, D? for the multiple choices on a test. Kids appear to be excelling through ?school? but a lot of them are really just passing around little rhymes for the multiple choice answers. There are no real teachers, just a bunch of old books to look through before you take your multiple choice tests. I don?t think the Spring Creek system would pass the test for home schooling in the U.S., I don?t know how they get away with having parents pay thousands for their so called education. It really is a pathetic education system.

Instead of paying WWASP, create some fun educational trips around the country for your child, and have a in home tutor on a weekly basis. Lets keep the kids of America in their homes where they belong.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2003, 09:42:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-27 23:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"When I was at Spring Creek Lodge there was a big cheating ring where all you had to do for a test was remember: A, B, A, D, C, A, B, D, D? for the multiple choices on a test. Kids appear to be excelling through ?school? but a lot of them are really just passing around little rhymes for the multiple choice answers. There are no real teachers, just a bunch of old books to look through before you take your multiple choice tests. I don?t think the Spring Creek system would pass the test for home schooling in the U.S., I don?t know how they get away with having parents pay thousands for their so called education. It really is a pathetic education system.



Instead of paying WWASP, create some fun educational trips around the country for your child, and have a in home tutor on a weekly basis. Lets keep the kids of America in their homes where they belong. "



This would presuppose parents who aren't selfish and lazy.

How many of the kids getting sent to these programs had a mom who was home when the kid was little, and home when the kid got home from school?

How many of these kids had moms on the career track whose solution to childcare has always been to hand it off to some stranger they could pay money to "take care of it"?

I would bet most of these parents look more like Angela's mom on "Rugrats" than like "normal" parents.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2003, 09:45:00 AM »
What is beyond wacked is both my parents are teachers in NY

Go figure  :roll:

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2004, 01:06:00 PM »
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So much for "teaching" at this "school", credentialed only by a bought-and-paid-for, otherwise-unknown credentialing entity. She has been home for a couple of months and is having major trouble with her Geometry class (like, getting an "F"). I know when she wrote me from Casa that she was flying through a geometry packet, apparently doing well.

Amen brother...it's total bullshit.  :nworthy:
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