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Offline kaydeejaded

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« on: October 26, 2003, 06:42:00 PM »
Well in my intro to Human Services Counseling class  :flame:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2003, 07:55:00 PM »
Katy

elan was a direct spinoff of daytop,curtesey of j ricci (who never graduated from daytop) . Daytop was a direct spin off of the mother of them all, synanon.

There is a fellow Paul St.john,who posts on the elan part of this site . He could probably answer any of your questions concerning  daytop .He was there .

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2003, 08:16:00 PM »
heh heh


Daytop for whatever reason, seems to be very integral with general society.  They go to schools all the time.  They go to seminars.


They will send status members.  They will talk like they know what they are talking about, but their assertions are always hollow.  If you give them a good challenge, you will knock them right the fuck off balance.  They are not use to it.


Where I was most of the status where somewhat stupid, and could not handle a true intellectual conversation.  If you can give them that, you will not them off guard.  There will probably be a few of them, like that Sesame Street monster with a few heads.  When one has trouble the other will answer, so you will have your hands full.


Just remember this..

It's a game to them.  They want to win it.  They are trained in it everyday.  They willl be trying to defeat you.  That is their weakness.  They know that they stand on nothing.


As far as the program.. just a lot of brainwashing and stupidity.

For them sobriety is a higher power.  The rational that backs this for them is their belief that drug usage always leads to death.  Of course, they skip a lot of reality in this grand assertion.  In the facility, they are always right, because, if you prove them wrong, you will get consequences.  You will have them at an advantage for that.


Just don t belive them.. They will sound very certain in the beginning, and emotionally charged at times, but they are just kids playing agame beneath it all.. They will throw out every cliche, slogan, etc, that you have ever heard.
You ll have to pierce through them all.  If you can, find where they are still people, and where you can relate to them.


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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2003, 08:25:00 PM »
Oh.. you already have them at an advantage.

They hate when people bring up the word, "synanon".


As far as they are concerned, they are "TC's", and have nothing to do with synanon.


lol. they also get pissed when you compare them to Scientlogy.



If you were to rbing up synanon, a lot of the younger members probably own t even know whta the hell you are talking about.  Some of the older status may be slightly botherred by it, and try to nicely describe to you, the error of your ways...

If you keep pushing.. He/She will get pissed.


The most importnat thing to remember is that, no matter what program they are in, they are still people.  When you see them getting agitated, or trying to close the discussion with broad non-sequitors, you know that you are forcing them to face their lies, and they will be powerless to you.

If they do come... best of luck  :smile:
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2003, 10:33:00 PM »
I want them to come so bad.

Scientology, I will remember that and I will also bring up Synanon.

I need this. I want it.

Cult members, I also feel sorry for them because they are probably trapped like us too. But whatever I hope to God I can make my points clearer then theirs.

Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice.



--Hearst newspapers nationwide, 1934

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2003, 10:55:00 PM »
What's the connection between Scientology and
Daytop, Synanon, and/or programs in general? I've never read anything which stated or implied that there is a connection. Got any links?
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2003, 10:57:00 PM »
Good luck, Kady...but remember, even if you aren't able to talk them down (bear with me here) remember that you know what you know, whether or not you're able to get that across through words. This is often been my predicament. I'm ok when I have time to reflect on things, but I can get real PISSED if I know I'm right, but have difficulty getting my point across...it doesn't take much for my temper to rise in these sort of situations. I'm getting better at it lately though...But anyway, break a leg!

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2003, 10:59:00 PM »
that's what I am afraid of
ugh
then I will be kicking myself!

I tried for years to live according to everyone else's morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.

---Albert Camus

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2003, 11:03:00 PM »
Hate to play Devil's advocate, but ah what the hell, there are enough people pushing GOD down people's throats these days anyway...maybe you should take something to calm you down a little before you go in there, but not something that makes you look obviously high or anything...maybe a good downer or something?  :grin:
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2003, 11:06:00 PM »
Hey Paul,
  Why don't you offer to go and lecture on Daytop?

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2003, 11:14:00 PM »
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On 2003-10-26 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

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What's the connection between Scientology and

Daytop, Synanon, and/or programs in general? I've never read anything which stated or implied that there is a connection. Got any links?"



Back when the synanon was still around, there was this priest in Brooklyn, who use to send youths from his are into the synanon.  It was mainly from heroine addiction, and at the time most belived to heroine to be terminal.. that is until the synanon.. People believed that heroine addiction was then terminal unless, you went to the synanon.. Terminal as in.. best case senario, you spend what was left of your life in jail.


The synanons were eventually shut down, when the lead guys were arrested for conspiracy top commit murder.

So this preist started his own program based on the synanon called Daytop.  It was referred to as "TC".. "therapeutic community"  

As far as other programs, many of them all came from the same idea from what I understand.. It is a form of behavior modification adapted from Korean brainwashing techniques.  The thread of these techniques runs all throughout different areas, books, and institutions of psychology.  Basically, it is modern psychology's disease.. It shows up here and there mixed in with the good.

Most of these programs exemplify that form of psychology.  It kinda goes on the idea, that a person is beyond hope, and so should be rewritten to better match the will of general society, or the will of whomever or whatever.


As far as the Scientology connection, I do not know.  I only know that while I was in Daytop, there was a newspaper article claiming that Daytop's purpose was to spread the ideas of Scientlology into society through today's youth.
I really have no idea.  All I know is that it really pissed off the daytop people.


Funny enough, the firts Daytop ever was in fact shut down in Brooklyn, because the guy that the preist put in charge, in factuality, began to use his program as a way to spread the ideals of Castro, I think.  But, Daytop was later reeestablished by someone else that the preist brought in.. I think it was someone who had something to do with the original synanon or something.  Whoever he was, he did a good job spreading it.

There is a book written by the preist called something along the lines of " The Daytop Method"... for people who have driniking problems and such.  If I remember correctly, it was a best seller or something.


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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2003, 11:14:00 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2003, 11:14:00 PM »
forgot to log in.. that was me
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2003, 11:24:00 PM »
shit I could take the xanax I am prescribed for the panic attacks from the PTSD from my beloved Straight inc

hmmmm but what if I am just not angry enough anymore??

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2003, 11:29:00 PM »
Wow.. KayDee is in New York.

Yeah.. if the teacher was interested in having me there, I'd do it.


will be my first lecture, but what the fuck?


Paul St. JOhn


lol.. It would be cool to have Daytop come in, and I could sit in as a student too..  Now that would be like a dream come true.. an open debate on neutral territory..

Daytops's first public loss :exclaim:
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