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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2010, 12:57:04 PM »
No, I never said anything like that.  

But we do agree NATSAP and Aspen are struggling and looking like they will go under given the weight of the bad press from HLA/RCS and all those DHS reports with rapes and beatings at RCS in them.
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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2010, 01:01:33 PM »
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Our researchers have noticed that a number of former NATSAP members have dropped out of the organization. They are mentioned in various documents but they don't figure when you search the database. Not that it is a problem for our research, but it is an interesting trend.

Are anyone aware of if there is some kind of split going on inside this organization?
Which NATSAP members have dropped out?

Might this have anything to do with that Small Boarding School Association you posted about recently, Oscar? Although this latter organization would appear to be, for the most part, focused on what could legitimately be called "regular" small boarding schools, there are a fair number of behavior modification programs included in their membership list as well...

Are these places trying to muddy the picture as to what really goes on in programs?
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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2010, 01:20:39 PM »
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Quote from: "Oscar"
Our researchers have noticed that a number of former NATSAP members have dropped out of the organization. They are mentioned in various documents but they don't figure when you search the database. Not that it is a problem for our research, but it is an interesting trend.

Are anyone aware of if there is some kind of split going on inside this organization?
Which NATSAP members have dropped out?

Might this have anything to do with that Small Boarding School Association you posted about recently, Oscar? Although this latter organization would appear to be, for the most part, focused on what could legitimately be called "regular" small boarding schools, there were a fair number of behavior modification programs listed on there as well...

Are these places trying to muddy the picture as to what really goes on in programs?

I think it would be good to give NATSAP some competition.  This may cause these organizations to start stepping up end enforcing some standards for their members to meet, even if they are minimal to start with.  Just to write a check to be a member is useless in my opinion.



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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 01:25:02 PM »
So NATSAP is useless then.  They don't enforce any standards.  They're just a trade group.

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Our researchers have noticed that a number of former NATSAP members have dropped out of the organization. They are mentioned in various documents but they don't figure when you search the database. Not that it is a problem for our research, but it is an interesting trend.

Are anyone aware of if there is some kind of split going on inside this organization?
Which NATSAP members have dropped out?

Might this have anything to do with that Small Boarding School Association you posted about recently, Oscar? Although this latter organization would appear to be, for the most part, focused on what could legitimately be called "regular" small boarding schools, there were a fair number of behavior modification programs listed on there as well...

Are these places trying to muddy the picture as to what really goes on in programs?

I think it would be good to give NATSAP some competition.  This may cause these organizations to start stepping up end enforcing some standards for their members to meet, even if they are minimal to start with.  Just to write a check to be a member is useless in my opinion.



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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2010, 01:34:02 PM »
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So NATSAP is useless then.  They don't enforce any standards.  They're just a trade group.

I would support them as an association much more so if they had some stricter standards and enforced them, but they dont appear to do that.  The requirements for membership are wide open and they dont seem to terminate memberships for falling below standards.



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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2010, 01:41:52 PM »
Exactly, that's why Aspen is still a member after killing, abusing and neglecting kids and getting their facilities shut down for it.  They're members in good standing with NATSAP which shows NATSAP is bullshit and doesn't care that its members abuse and even kill kids.
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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2010, 01:49:08 PM »
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Exactly, that's why Aspen is still a member after killing, abusing and neglecting kids and getting their facilities shut down for it.  They're members in good standing with NATSAP which shows NATSAP is bullshit and doesn't care that its members abuse and even kill kids.

Ha,Ha,Ha  so NATSAP members kill people?  What an angry person you are DJ.  I feel bad for you in a way, but your comments are classic.  You are out to discredit even Wikipedia today!



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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2010, 01:52:35 PM »
The programs that are members of NATSAP kill people and get shut down for it.

You might be able to find evidence to the contrary here.
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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2010, 02:00:27 PM »
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No, NATSAP doesn't kill people.  The programs that are members of NATSAP kill people and get shut down for it.

Ha,Ha,Ha  The Programs kill people  lol.  You have tried to discredit me, wikipedia, RCS, HLA, NATSAP, "All Programs" just because they disagreed with your argument.  This is just today!!

The New York Times says that Obama won the Presidential Election!

DJ:  "That paper is not credible, their readers kill people"  lol


Now this is entertainment.

Trying to discredit Wikipedia is still in the lead for best post of the day, though, but the others were good.



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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2010, 02:02:46 PM »
So now Whooter is claiming no kids were ever killed in any NATSAP programs.  Wow.  Big statement there.  Big false statement, but hey, that's what Whooter is all about.

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The programs that are members of NATSAP kill people and get shut down for it.

You might be able to find evidence to the contrary here.
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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2010, 02:05:31 PM »
I forgot to add "Georgia ORS" to the DJ's discredit list for today!

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No, NATSAP doesn't kill people.  The programs that are members of NATSAP kill people and get shut down for it.

Ha,Ha,Ha  The Programs kill people  lol.  You have tried to discredit me, wikipedia, RCS, HLA, NATSAP, Georgia ORS, "All Programs" just because they disagreed with your argument.  This is just today!!

The New York Times says that Obama won the Presidential Election!

DJ:  "That paper is not credible, their readers kill people"  lol


Now this is entertainment.

Trying to discredit Wikipedia is still in the lead for best post of the day, though, but the others were good.



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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2010, 02:09:12 PM »
It's actually DHS, not ORS, but they agree with me that a girl was raped at RCS by a male inmate due to lack of supervision of the dangerous criminals that roam the grounds freely.  This is a main reason why NATSAP memebers are trying to distance themselves from the owner of RCS and founder of NATSAP, IMO.  Too many raped and beaten kids keep showing up at RCS and the members of NATSAP don't want to be associated with that.
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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2010, 02:14:49 PM »
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It's actually DHS, not ORS, but they agree with me that a girl was raped at RCS by a male inmate due to lack of supervisoin of the dangerous criminals that roam the grounds freely.  This is a main reason why NATSAP memebers are trying to distance themselves from the owner of RCS and founder of NATSAP, IMO.  Too many raped and beaten kids keep showing up at RCS and the members of NATSAP don't want to be associated with that.

You cant even get DHS to agree with you on the one rape.  They used the words "Sexual activity", but since you have it out for HLA because they fired you for selling drugs to kids and lied on your employment application you spend 24/7 attacking their school.  This is classic to watch.  

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I fabricated a Rape.

We know you did!  DHS doesnt side with you DJ and you were left holding the bag with no evidence.



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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2010, 02:36:01 PM »
Quote from: "Dictionary.com"
Rape
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse

–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape

That's rape.

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Sexual Activity
noun  
activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"  
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity

That's sexual activity.

Quote from: "DHS Report on RCS Rape"
unwanted...sexual activity

Unwanted sexual activity is unwanted intercourse is rape.  The girl was raped.

I hope this has been educational about this rape victim's circumstances at RCS.  It is a sad story and could have been avoided with proper supervision.  According to the DHS report RCS is inadequately staffed with untrained people.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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Re: NATSAP members dropping out
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2010, 02:49:15 PM »
Oh come on DJ, you cant discredit NATSAP based on an ORS report.  Your argument does not even apply.  I believe that NATSAP would do better if it had more teeth.  But you cant blame them for all your problems and the fact that you were fired by the industry.  You are taking your argument too far.



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