Colburn's have lost all credibility

[Anonymous]

Yes they do offer that, but
intrepidnetreporters.com had been private and then mysteriously made public again.

Ask Lee to tell you the truth. He can't deny that this happened. Well, he can, but he'd be lying again.  

Also helpyourteen.com (similar to helpyourteens.com) was registered 7-22-03.

Same day intrepidnetreporters.com was registered at godaddy.

Helpyourteen.com rolls to sue's site and is in her name.

She transfered it to Lee's name (after they took away the privacy) to avoid problems in her current lawsuit with wwasp.

Anyone who thinks that they can hide behind the domainsbyproxy is dumb. They have rules against spam, copyrights infringement, and objectionable content.

Lee just won't admit it, but that's ok because there is proof he is on Sue's "buddie list" yet he keeps posting that he doesn't work with PURE anymore.  

That was the whole reason for post. This just proves he is still in bed with PURE and he's a liar.  Nothing more. I wasn't trying to say he doesn't have a good cause he is working for.  I think it's great he stands for what he believes, but I don't think he needs to play both sides.

[Antigen]

On 2003-10-15 12:40:00, turbinekat wrote:

"Antigen,  



Congrats on the anonymous domain claim info...I however, chose NOT to establish this account under any false pretences nor did I wish to hide any ownership of this website.

Quite right. My mistake. I saw the "Enter your password here" box and didn't carefully read. I thought you had gone and upgraded to an anon registration. My mistake, apologies.

I can say, I?m very proud of the person who created & operated this site for many years prior to her passing.  It saddens me to think that her website is endangered to become under wwasps ownership, as was the case with another website that recently expired.

Thanks for doing that. I do the same thing if I can whenever a forum or other valuable website is about to get shut down (hence the name and marvel at the serendipity of the acronym!)

Now what is on the site is not important to people, but the ownership & new owner are in question?



I'll own it until a federal court states otherwise...



Again, the family name is up held in the court of fornits!



Regards,



Lee

"

I just don't understand why you're so touchy about being affiliated with PURE. Whether or not that affiliation adversely effects your personal credibility, I don't know. I suppose it depends on who you're talking to. But I can't help notice that you're acting shady about it! If you don't really do volunteer work for PURE, then I suggest you ask Sue to remove your names from her site under the heading "Volunteers". If, otoh, you proudly volunteer for PURE, then why all the fits?

You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!

--chongo

[turbinekat]

No fits here; judge & jury warbis, just the facts.

It may behoove everyone to read what exactly a volunteer is.

PURE Volunteers - Listed Alphabetically
You are welcome to email a parent. We are parents helping parents striving to "bring families back together."

Maybe Ginger can so eloquently define this statement for those of us less meaningful individuals.

Then I'll ask you, to define my affiliation with the Special Olympics as a volunteer, as well & so forth.

Have at judge...

Regards,

Lee

[Grams]

If Sue was given credit for owning this one, how can you be sure credit is due for owning the other one?  Give it a rest.

[Antigen]

On 2003-10-15 16:55:00, turbinekat wrote:

"No fits here; judge & jury warbis, just the facts.

Judge and jury? Oh darn! I forgot to consult my support group and find out what to think before responding.  :idea: Hey, I think I might be onto something here.

It may behoove everyone to read what exactly a volunteer is.



PURE Volunteers - Listed Alphabetically

You are welcome to email a parent. We are parents helping parents striving to "bring families back together."



Maybe Ginger can so eloquently define this statement for those of us less meaningful individuals.

Sure, my pleasure. You work for PURE either w/o compensation or w/ compensation under the table somehow.

Then I'll ask you, to define my affiliation with the Special Olympics as a volunteer, as well & so forth.

Same thing. The only time I've ever seen the term "volunteer" defined differently was early in the Clinton Admin when they announce the $7/hr Americor "volunteer" program. Is that the definition you're using? Or is it some other term of art with which I'm not familiar?

Ya' know, instead of all this hostile back and forth, I was hoping you'd respond to this other post.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#22996

G'won, I dare ya!

Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is.

 


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/068483068X/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>MARGARET MITCHELL

[turbinekat]

Ginger, way off the mark on the volunteer issue...you are just as fortunate as many others in assuming your statement.  I believe it was you defending everyone & anyone about the facts & or presenting the truth.  Please show me proof of where I work for PURE???  This is your assumption & nothing else!!!

Again, the Special Olympics, me working for them...never received anything from them?  PA must have a different Special Olympics committee & rules that I am very unaware of?  Please explain this to me oh wise wizard of fornits.

I'm in a cycle club as well & have yet to receive any funds from them either?  Maybe I should ask them to pay me for showing up to ride?  Or because my name is on their site & list of volunteers for toy runs?  I'll try this at the next meeting & fill you in on how they respond.

Also, an officer on the deer lease...just maybe I could be compensated from them too?

Damn, just think if every time I volunteered I was paid I could quit my day job & just lounge around waiting for all of the volunteer stuff to pay off...it would probably be like hitting the lottery?

The church is gonna love me for dipping into the plate when it comes by?

Please sign me up for the toaster oven, I'll take what's behind door number three & I wanna be included as a fornits volunteer.  Please pick me?Once my contract arrives, I'll mail it back & then you can start direct depositing the funds into my account!!!

Sounds like a winner for me...I mean a winner to me?

Regards,

Lee

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-15 16:55:00, turbinekat wrote:

"No fits here; judge & jury warbis, just the facts.



It may behoove everyone to read what exactly a volunteer is.



PURE Volunteers - Listed Alphabetically

You are welcome to email a parent. We are parents helping parents striving to "bring families back together."



Maybe Ginger can so eloquently define this statement for those of us less meaningful individuals.



Then I'll ask you, to define my affiliation with the Special Olympics as a volunteer, as well & so forth.



Have at judge...



Regards,



Lee

"

Lee et al, seems to me you got a dog in this fight, allright, but that dog don't hunt about as good as it don't fight.  

 :rofl:

[MelissaR]

I've got some serious intution... I had been saying that the Colburns were scandalous since the beginning of time. I hate all the witchhunt stuff, but if you feel like a situation or person isn't right..follow your hunch! I've busted like 4 people in the last year on that rule.

[turbinekat]

Speaking of our dog...Aggie

As a pup of six weeks old she was diagnosed with parvo.  Both parents died along with all of her sibling.  Don't ask why I don't know why?  I ain't a vet either.  She just doesn?t have any doggie family so to speak?just us.

Some how or another she survived the ordeal!  The vet originally wanted to put her to sleep!!!  Can you believe that?  What if that was a child in the same situation (not with parvo, but some other disease), would the pediatrician want to put a child to sleep?  I hope not.

Anyway, short story long...the little mutt has grown up to be a 92# lap dog.  Momma, Nancy was responsible for caring for the critter, because I wasn't going to waste my time on what I presumed a worthless cause.  I was relying on the vet, his observations, education & prior experience with the disease.

Imagine my surprise when the dog made it past the incubation period for this disease.  When we transported her back to the vet, however many days later, he was even more shocked at her willingness to exist.

I still to this day can not explain this medical phenomenon & the dogs desire to survive.

I imagine children who are incarcerated behind all behavioral modification facilities walls may feel this same desire to survive...if only there were a legal way to accomplish this task... would everyone not affiliated with these organizations volunteer to assist them in their plight for freedom?

Regards,

Lee


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[Anonymous]

Wouldn't they want to volunteer to help them by caring and nurturing them while they were there, so they could survive in a much bigger way when they were "set free?"

[turbinekat]

Anon.

Please explain; I'm just a dumb ol country boy!  

I've never heard of any children set free?  I know some of them are removed or picked up early by parents.

It?s either graduate or take the exit plan.  How can that be construed as being "set free"?

Regards,

Lee

[Antigen]

On 2003-10-15 20:52:00, turbinekat wrote:

"Please show me proof of where I work for PURE???  This is your assumption & nothing else!!!

http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html
Near the bottom of the page, volunteers listed in alphabetical order:
"Lee and Nancy Colburn - Pearland, TX -
(Lee) ncolburn@houston.rr.com"

I don't recall anyone saying you got paid for your work for PURE. Usually, except under the Clinton Admin, the term "volunteer" means work for no monitary compensation. I asked you to provide the third definition or term of art that would define the term as having nothing whatsoever to do with the organization claiming you as a volunteer. But all you do is put your hand out and ask for money? Is that what you do for PURE? Solicit donations or something?

The trouble with practical jokes is that very often they get elected.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380768089/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Will Rogers, American humorist, political commentator and cowboy philosopher

[Antigen]

On 2003-10-15 22:05:00, turbinekat wrote:

"I imagine children who are incarcerated behind all behavioral modification facilities walls may feel this same desire to survive...if only there were a legal way to accomplish this task... would everyone not affiliated with these organizations volunteer to assist them in their plight for freedom?"

Ok, let's take it a step further. What if, instead of either caring for the dog or being straight about putting him down, he just lied to you and told you he'd take the pup to a nice, comfy compound, far better than either your home or any other option. Then took him in the back and shot him full of sleepy water anyway?

Lee, please tell me why I should believe that PURE is placing kids in any better circumstances than WWASP schools. Why do you believe it? Everything I've seen and heard so far tells me that PURE is just like Straight in the early days; yet another doomed attempt at a kinder, gentler thought reform regimen set up by former Seedlings and Seed parents. What, prey tell, is the difference?

I stand ready to be convinced. Will someone, anyone, please answer that question?

Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission

[turbinekat]

Guess know one wanted to answer my question....

But... I respect professional opinions & do use them when they pertain to my situations or regarding questions I've asked them directly.

Anyway, the vet that day, I imagine would have received an ear full if he'd have attempted to pry the little puppy from Nancy's clutches.  That was her puppy & still is her puppy to this very day.

Ginger, your continued attepmts to convict me of being a PURE expert are falling on MY deaf ears.  I'm not an expert on the subject of PURE nor have I made a comment to that nature.  Again, I'll ask you...where does it state that I'm PURE's expert?   Please contact them directly for any information you need pertaining to their organization.  I might add, legitimately this time & not under false pretence.  Consider me gulible,  I personally can't imagine a legit business hidng anything...but then again, I owned stock in Enron too.  Were they legit?  Only time & our wonderful federal government will ever know FOR SURE.  I know...maybe you should ask Enron's employees; past & present; I'd suspect them to be viable experts on the topic of Enron.

Regards,

Lee

[Antigen]

If you're not an expert on PURE and they don't share confidential info with you, then why do you keep calling me Tammy?? I certainly didn't tell you. If you have nothing to do with PURE, then how come they list you as a volunteer and encourage people to contact you?

Your question is based on the false premis that directing people away from WWASP and to PURE is somehow saving their kids. And you've suggested, in rather strong terms, that anyone who would question the sanctity of PURE must be out to kill some kids.

What you have not done (or anyone else affiliated with PURE for that matter) has been to explain the difference between what WWASP does and what PURE does. I've gone all over their website and I can't find any significant difference. I did the "get 'free' info" thing, which required giving a lot of personal info. in exchange, and all I got back was a stroke "Good mommy, coming to us for help!" and the same phone numbers and other info that's on the website anyway.

Can you at least name the schools and programs that PURE refers people to so that I can check for myself and find out what they're about? Or is that secret for some reason? What reason?

Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean.
-- John Muir