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« on: October 15, 2003, 12:40:00 AM »
In the Ohh Carey post both Colburn's are full of shit when they said they don't work for PURE.

What a surprise!

Look at the whois info on IntrepidNetReporters.com
Go to http://whois.godaddy.com
Everyone will know the truth.  Don't tell us that you didn't know that your info was on there.

How much are Sue's legal bills total?
I'd start saving your pennies!

You can't hide shit on the NET!
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2003, 12:52:00 AM »
Well, I followed the link and all I can say is I guess the truth really does cut both ways.

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2003, 01:00:00 AM »
Are you really that dumb???

You have to do some work to get the info - Fuck-o!

Go to http://whois.godaddy.com
Type in intrepidnetreporters.com
Then enter the security code and enter.

Fumble-Fucks
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2003, 01:10:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-14 21:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well, I followed the link and all I can say is I guess the truth really does cut both ways.



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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2003, 01:33:00 AM »
Folks, there are two law suites (that I know of) under discussion. One is WWASP v PURE (or individuals, I don't know the official case titles here) and it's about PURE defaming WWASP. Allegations of unfair competition at the base of it, as I understand it.

There's an ENTIRELY different case, in which certain people (just can't bring myself to use the term "persons" when talking about folk) affiliated with PURE may be party, but this one has nothing to do with defamation or competition. It's a class action in the works and has to do with fraudulent claims in their recruiting practices and child abuse.

As for the Colburn's, hell! it's right there on PURE's website!
 
http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html

And yet my heart goes out to these folks. Time and time again, I've seen well intended people try and create a kinder, gentler forced thought reform regimine. Time and time again I've seen the same result.

When will you folks just snap out of it and accept that kids don't come with guarantees or warantees and there is no such thing as a magical factory that fixes children. They're your kids! Raise them! Love them! Accept them for who they are! Whether you want to see it or not, they got most of who they are from you.

for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2003, 01:59:00 AM »
As usual, someone is allowing their mouths to over load the back sides.

There is not & never will be any proof of either one of us working for PURE.  I'll repeat it for those that didn't get it the first time; no we do not work for PURE.  Have either of us ever represented PURE, I know for a fact we haven?t.  Someone or you have assumed that because my email address is listed on PURE?s website that we work for them.  I can honestly tell you, it ain?t so!

That should be simple enough for the average fourth grade mind to comprehend.

As far as the website, okay so I own an informational website?  What's the big deal?  It's not illegal at all to own a website?

As far as my credibility; it hasn't been in question to my knowledge, here or anywhere else?  I haven't misled anyone or lied on this forum or any other forums which I post on.

Carey, quit hiding behind the anon. bag.  Again you need to get your facts together before attacking someone's character.  You can dig back in what ever you wish & find that neither my wife nor I have ever misled you in any way.  As far as any communications with you, I can?t ever recall speaking on the telephone with you.  Early on in your venture, I do recall a few emails & asking you to stop attacking an individual that was injured while at a wwasp?s facility.  That?s probably the extent of our communications with you.  The only other times I have conversed with you has been on fornits.  And yes we do have different opinions of each other?I can live with that.

I don?t know what your beef with my wife & I is, but it?s become old news.  If you personally don?t like us for some reason or another, so be it.  Find something else to worry about, concentrate on helping your twins?we certainly are no threat to you or your family.  My primary & only goal from the onset of our son attending a wwasp program was to assist my son.  Now, as stated previously, I will speak to anyone who contacts me about my family?s wwasps experience & our first hand knowledge of Casa by the Sea.  That is no secret, never has been & never will be.  I made wwasps aware of this back in 09/02 when I refused to sign a settlement agreement & receive our money back from wwasps.    

If I have made a mistake in your eyes & need to be strung up from the nearest tree to satisfy your accountability standards, so be.  Take me to court?my son may have a different opinion though.  He?s kind of partial to his father & we both have learned a great deal from this entire experience.  Just in case you wanted to know, he is doing great, working for me & waiting on his delayed entry program into the U.S. Navy.

As for Nancy & I we are currently working with Congressmen to introduce bills which will regulate & protect children as well as parents from experiencing the wrath of any behavior modification program out there.  May it be wwasps, straights or any other deceptive entity?  I surely hope that your family, my family or any other family for that matter is ever exposed to something of this magnitude again in our life times or our children?s.  Contrary to what you seek for the truth in your case may not be so in mine.  I will continue my family?s quest without your permission nor will your interference hinder our progress.  Good luck in the future & May God Bless you!!!

Regards,


Lee    


PS.  Ginger ...you may want to home school the adults on this forum pertaining to geography.  Please point out Tampa & Ft. "L" so others may have a clue!  Also, the rr.com ate their lunch.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2003, 02:29:00 AM »
She registered that domain within the week that the court order said she can't do anything privately on the internet.
The domain was then transfered un-private to Sue. Then within 24 hrs. into your name.  

Wes Fager will tell you Sue owns it. He told me when I emailed him. Why is your name on it?

Sue was also given credit for owning the domain on this forum.

Your credibility has been compromised here - Tell the story straight.  Quit your bullshit lies.

Honesty is not a huge request.

p.s. not Carey here.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2003, 02:45:00 AM »
Quote*As far as the website, okay so I own an informational website? What's the big deal? It's not illegal at all to own a website?*

Where's the lie?

Maybe you should contact Mr. Fager, again?

I haven't seen any info on this forum that verifys or gives credit to anyone else owning that domain?

Nothing of mine is compromised, as far as I'm concerned anon.  You may have some problems with not knowing my life story, go figure, if it bothers you so much.  Quit your bull shit accusations!

Honesty is the last thing on this board, please look at your post...it's anonymous.  Where's YOUR honesty anon...kind of a double standard maybe?

Get your shit together and come back when you can identify yourself & have factual information pertaining to me.

Regards,

Lee
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2003, 02:55:00 AM »
There is no dishonesty in remaining anonymous -
If you don't like it - bite me.

Your pride gets in the way of honesty - afraid of looking like a fool??? Already done.

Sue Scheff sent an email from : SLS1262@aol.com

"Hi XXXX,

Wes was kind enough to forward your note to me.

At this time, I am preserving Donna Headrick website and not adding or changing to it.  There may be a time that I do, but not right now, it will stay in her memory....

All the best to you,
Sue Scheff
Weston, FL
954-349-XXXX (blocked for obvious reasons)"


Go back to your shop buddy.
You can't just fight with words here - You have to back your stuff up with facts - As I have here.

Who is dishonest? Look in the mirror...

Grow up - we're not at MVHS anymore...
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2003, 09:25:00 AM »
Explain to me why you folks who are not in the know of what is going on chose to judge, and criticize others.

Let me see if I can fill you in. First, there is a lawsuit. Second, yes Lee does own one of the websites. God Bless him, he took it over so WWASP, who was going after it couldn't get one more site. At least, he put his money, time where his mouth is UNLIKE a large number of you on this board.
Who cares that Lee owns it. He is active in helping out and cares and that is more than I can say for many of you critics out there.
As for those working for PURE. You incredible fools. Has history taught you NOTHING. Yes there are those that share information or talk to PURE. Why? Oh, I don't know perhaps they are mature enough to agree to disagree but have found common ground in stopping the abuse. Maybe the old saying "United We Stand Divided We Fall" should be used here.
You fools that rake others through the coals for making any effort. You are loved by Sembler and WWASP. You speak , yet you are not in the Know of what is going on, yet you are sure you have some right to judge another. Your names are not on the list of donors to ANY organization or cause, your not listed as volunteer for ANYONE. However, you will sit here and judge.
If you all only knew the effort going on behind the scenes by Many, Many people, many organizations. For them perhaps they are not as childish and have figured out that sharing information is far more powerful then tearing each other apart.
Yet on this fornits board all I see is Fools tearing each other apart, the kicker is the criticism usually comes from the very ones that have done little if anything to help prevent these centers from abusing kids.
So you people that have nothing better to do than tear each other apart. Sit back behind your computer and GET OUT OF THE WAY.
 Let those with the balls, the courage to take all you throw at them, the wisdom to get beyond differences, the steal commitment get on with saving kids from torture, let them get on with the business of helping because they chose not to waste their time hurting others.
They are the heroes.
God Bless Lee and ALL those that put their actions, time and money where their mouth is.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2003, 10:16:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-14 23:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"There is no dishonesty in remaining anonymous -

If you don't like it - bite me.



Your pride gets in the way of honesty - afraid of looking like a fool??? Already done.



Sue Scheff sent an email from : SLS1262@aol.com



"Hi XXXX,



Wes was kind enough to forward your note to me.



At this time, I am preserving Donna Headrick website and not adding or changing to it.  There may be a time that I do, but not right now, it will stay in her memory....



All the best to you,

Sue Scheff

Weston, FL

954-349-XXXX (blocked for obvious reasons)"





Go back to your shop buddy.

You can't just fight with words here - You have to back your stuff up with facts - As I have here.



Who is dishonest? Look in the mirror...



Grow up - we're not at MVHS anymore..."


Anon; I have witnessed NO back up in your accusations?

As far as me not responding anonymously; why should I, I am proud of who I am & what I represent.  No need to hide from an Internet forum.

My pride is my family & what we stand tall for!  Always have; always will.  YOU can't do anything to hurt or harm anything I have ever accomplished in my lifetime.  I unlike YOU can face the music!

Where in your supposed email from Sue does it prove that I have been dishonest?  False accusations from you or anyone affiliated with you is just that; FALSE.

Grow up you say, I can firmly state I have.  As far as finding out where I attended H/S for two years, what's your point?  I don't see you mentioning that I spent 2 1/2 years in Africa either?  Nor does it mention living in Europe?  Please the next time you bring accusations to the table, make them credible!!!

I guess in your eyes I am guilty of owning a website?  I have researched the owner ship of websites; not illegal at all in this country.

There is no guilt in my efforts or ownership of any web sites.  Let's hear your story, since you are the chosen one in ALL of these efforts to help children.  That's what I thought!!!  Now please put up or shut up!  I'll end with your standing offer...bite ME!

Regards,

Lee
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2003, 10:39:00 AM »
Lee,


Thank you for explaining yourself so well.

WWASP will be sorry if they mess with you,any of us. We are ready for them.They can never hurt us again.

My child is home safe doing well.

Carey your strategy has backfired.
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2003, 02:55:00 PM »
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On 2003-10-14 21:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"In the Ohh Carey post both Colburn's are full of shit when they said they don't work for PURE.



What a surprise!



Look at the whois info on IntrepidNetReporters.com

Go to http://whois.godaddy.com

Everyone will know the truth.  Don't tell us that you didn't know that your info was on there.



How much are Sue's legal bills total?

I'd start saving your pennies!



You can't hide shit on the NET!



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Sure ya' can! Anonymous domain registration is only $9/yr w/ Godaddy!
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2003, 03:40:00 PM »
Antigen,  

Congrats on the anonymous domain claim info...I however, chose NOT to establish this account under any false pretences nor did I wish to hide any ownership of this website.  I can say, I?m very proud of the person who created & operated this site for many years prior to her passing.  It saddens me to think that her website is endangered to become under wwasps ownership, as was the case with another website that recently expired.

Now what is on the site is not important to people, but the ownership & new owner are in question?

I'll own it until a federal court states otherwise...

Again, the family name is up held in the court of fornits!

Regards,

Lee
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2003, 03:42:00 PM »
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On 2003-10-14 22:59:00, turbinekat wrote:

"As usual, someone is allowing their mouths to over load the back sides.



There is not & never will be any proof of either one of us working for PURE.  I'll repeat it for those that didn't get it the first time; no we do not work for PURE.

What, it ain't work if you're not getting paid? Well I'll be switched! I sure wish I'd known that years ago. I'll never do a load of laundry again, since it's not like my job or anything. I married that SOB for his money over 16 years ago and I'm not g'wan NOwhar till I start seein' some!!

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Have either of us ever represented PURE, I know for a fact we haven?t.  Someone or you have assumed that because my email address is listed on PURE?s website that we work for them.  I can honestly tell you, it ain?t so!
On the Oh Carey post, Carey said "Antigen, the Colburn's, Nancy and Lee have the email address of lcolburn@houston.rr.com.

They are associated with PURE, they are on their "about us" list."

to which you responded:

"Contrary to your beliefs, I do not nor have I ever worked for PURE. WRONG, again. Is my email address posted on their sight, yes. Does that represent me working for PURE, no."
 
To which I would respond thusly:

Dude! http://www.thestraights.com/reports/us_involvement.htm

In 1971 the United States Senate's Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights under the directorship of Senator Sam Ervin began an investigation of the US government's role in behavior modification. Ervin's 650 page report was published in November 1974 under the title "Individual Rights and the Federal Role in Behavior Modification." Other members of the subcommittee included: Senators John McClellan, Arkansas, Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts, Birch Bayh, Indiana, Robert Byrd, West Virginia, John Tunney, California, Edward Gurney, Florida, Roman Hruska, Nebraska, Hiram Fong, Hawaii, Strom Thurmond, South Carolina, and Lawrence Baskir, Chief Counsel, Dorothy Glancy, Counsel, Joseph Klutz, Research Assistant, Alfred Pollard, Research Assistant, and George Downs, Sr, Chief Printing Clerk, and Anita Kinlaw, a legal intern.

The report includes a study of Straight's predecessor program, The Seed, and concludes that The Seed used methods similar to the "brainwashing" methods employed by North Koreans against American servicemen during the Korean War."
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Essentially, the Ervin report concludes that the Federal government has no business funding, fostering, encouraging or promoting this kind of "treatment" becuase it is profoundly at odds with ideas of liberty, soverignty and self determination. This report and the Federal funding policies based on it are what knocked Art Barker out of the majors. He simply was, in my opinion, too full of himself to concede to the requirements.

But that never stopped Bobby DuPont and them others from going full speed ahead with the plan. They just set up a new corporate entity under a different name with a more carefully selected and cultivated team of players. They simply ignored or found ways around this new law. (see Solon quote above)

I think we need to get our Constitutional Republic government the hell out of the Socialist business of providing mental health services. Talk about the blind leading the blind? Hell, this has turned out more like some kind of sick Mongolian purge where sane kids are tracked down and made insane to conform to government standards!

I think we've had just about all the help we can stand, Lee. I just wish these psychos would just quit helping so damned much! Can you help make it stop?

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