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Offline Gonzotherapy

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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #435 on: October 30, 2010, 05:24:58 PM »
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Gonzotherapy - "I have not seen one link to my posts where you have proven I am a liar",

I posted them at least twice.

Gonzotherapy -I have not seen one link where you have PROVEN that I am a liar
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If you have any sort of educational degree, I suggest you go spend your time trying to get your money back.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

This is obviously a post out of frustration on your part.  You seem to like taking personal shots at people during a discussion.  A few posts back you created a lie about how I was being paid by the industry to post here on fornits in an attempt to discredit my posts.


Gonzotherapy - "Freudian slip, amazing how truthful they can be. Your doing a fine job discrediting yourself, you definitely don't need my help."


Until the kids turn 18 the parents have the say not the kids.  I think this is where you are getting mixed up.
Gonzotherapy - "I didn't realize that the definition of kidnapping changed the day you turn 18, Hmmmm, funny that's not mentioned in the dictionary."



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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #436 on: October 30, 2010, 05:26:46 PM »
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If a schoolbus driver handcuffed that kid like they do in escorts, or physically threatened them into submission they would be arrested.

Yes they would be arrested.  They are paid to drive a bus, but if the kid doesnt want to go to school then he is being taken against his/her will.


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I did not create a lie, I concluded that you have a vested interest in supporting and defending these schools, my opinion, which isn't a lie. You calling me a liar for that, well, makes you look stupid.
You said I was being paid by the industry.  You stated this lie in an attempt to discredit me and my posts.  It was a lie with the intention to deceive the readers.

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Therefore I concluded that any education you have is worthless. Just my opinion. You twisted my words and tried to make it sound like I was paid to be here. Hmmmmmm, multibillion dollar industry trying to defend itself? No, that would never happen. Or me, backed by who? Who pays money to discredit this business? If you know of one sign me up, I'd gladly get paid to do this.
 And I'm afraid the definition of kidnapping does not include anything about parents permission. What do you think would happen if a schoolbus driver chased down a kid who didn't want to get on the bus, tackled them, and forced them handcuffed onto the bus?

The school bus driver would be arrested if they did this, but if the kid doesnt want to go to school then he is being transported against his/her will.



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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #437 on: October 30, 2010, 05:36:38 PM »
My opinion is that you have a vested interest in programs. Not a lie.

My opinion is that you are uneducated. Not a lie.

My conclusion from statements you have made that kids who "did not do well in programs lie about the abuse" made me come to the conclusion that you believed all kids involved in the lawsuit were liars. Also, not a lie, a conclusion based off of your posts.

My opinion is that you are a fascist. Not a lie.

You have not proven once that I lied about anything.

And like I said before, you definitely don't need my help discrediting you or making you look stupid.
You are doing a fine job. :tup:
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #438 on: October 30, 2010, 05:53:20 PM »
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My opinion is that you have a vested interest in programs. Not a lie.

My opinion is that you are uneducated. Not a lie.

My conclusion from statements you have made that kids who "did not do well in programs lie about the abuse" made me come to the conclusion that you believed all kids involved in the lawsuit were liars. Also, not a lie, a conclusion based off of your posts.

My opinion is that you are a fascist. Not a lie.

You have not proven once that I lied about anything.

And like I said before, you definitely don't need my help discrediting you or making you look stupid.
You are doing a fine job. :tup:

Thank you for stating that it was your opinion, Gonzo.  If you had stated that it was your opinion that I was making money posting here (in your original post) then it would not have been considered a lie.  But unfortunately you did not.  I understand that you are new here, Gonzo, and therefore I will not press the matter any further.  From the above post I can see that you have revised your statements from facts - to - opinions and I can accept that appeasement and see that you have learned a valuable lesson that lying can affect not only yourself but many other peoples credibility.  When making statements that are opinions try to remember to communicate that it is opinion.. i.e. "It felt like I was being kidnapped"...  "It is my opinion that you are being paid by the industry" etc.
 

I think we have exhausted this thread.  In closing I hope that many of the readers try to choose their words wisely in describing what transpired during their time in a program.  Its only fair to all the other survivors to try to stick with the truth so as to not discredit or diminish other people’s experiences who really were truly kidnapped and abused.



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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #439 on: October 30, 2010, 06:05:37 PM »
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Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
My opinion is that you have a vested interest in programs. Not a lie.

My opinion is that you are uneducated. Not a lie.

My conclusion from statements you have made that kids who "did not do well in programs lie about the abuse" made me come to the conclusion that you believed all kids involved in the lawsuit were liars. Also, not a lie, a conclusion based off of your posts.

My opinion is that you are a fascist. Not a lie.

You have not proven once that I lied about anything.

And like I said before, you definitely don't need my help discrediting you or making you look stupid.
You are doing a fine job. :tup:

Thank you for stating that it was your opinion, Gonzo.  If you had stated that it was your opinion that I was making money posting here (in your original post) then it would not have been considered a lie.  But unfortunately you did not.  I understand that you are new here, Gonzo, and therefore I will not press the matter any further.  From the above post I can see that you have revised your statements from facts - to - opinions and I can accept that appeasement and see that you have learned a valuable lesson that lying can affect not only yourself but many other peoples credibility.  When making statements that are opinions try to remember to communicate that it is opinion.. i.e. "It felt like I was being kidnapped"...  "It is my opinion that you are being paid by the industry" etc.
 

I think we have exhausted this thread.  In closing I hope that many of the readers try to choose their words wisely in describing what transpired during their time in a program.  Its only fair to all the other survivors to try to stick with the truth so as to not discredit or diminish other people’s experiences who really were truly kidnapped and abused.

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The only person here with a demonstrable inability to "stick to the truth", Whooter, is you.  You started this thread with the supposition that program victims lie about their experiences, then provided zero credible proof for this supposition.  Now you are running away with your tail between your legs.  Get a life.
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #440 on: October 30, 2010, 06:08:19 PM »
Apparently there is agreement that you have not proved once that a survivor has lied. Hence, termination of the thread, again.

Good work.

At first I did not realize that you were not intelligent enough to clearly see what is opinion and what is fact, I did not change what I wrote to delineate for others, just for you. But nice attempt at condescending, problem is you would have to be on a little higher rung to condescend to me.

You truly are, in my opinion of course, a complete douche.
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #441 on: October 30, 2010, 06:13:41 PM »
I agree. We've firmly established that kids who claim they are being kidnapped are, according to the definition, telling the truth.

We've also firmly established that you are as of yet unable to back up any of your claims or accusations that survivors lie about their experiences.

Case closed.
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #442 on: October 30, 2010, 08:15:59 PM »


This sums up this entire thread in one graphic meme.
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #443 on: October 30, 2010, 08:59:31 PM »
Ah, its good to see the old fornits regulars are back and have a place to express themselves, lol.



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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #444 on: October 30, 2010, 09:27:06 PM »
Whoops a couple of lies:

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And I love the fact that you dismiss the hundreds of people in that lawsuit as being liars.
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Then another time you were frustrated with our conversation you tried to make the readers believe that I was being paid by the industry to post here, thereby discrediting my opinions.  You have been here for about a day and know nothing about me yet you make up lies about me?

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They wouldn't try to discredit the accusers by hiring somebody to sit and babysit forums twisting words and making incredibly broad unfounded allegations of lies. I think I should call them up and let them know they are over-paying you. You are a miserable failure at discrediting anything.
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Re: Why do Survivors need to Lie?
« Reply #445 on: October 30, 2010, 09:48:08 PM »
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It has been established throughout the Troubled Teen industry that the graduates and non graduates who did not do well have a need to embellish or lie about their time spent at one or more of the programs.  


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You implied here that the allegations of abuse were lies, therefore you are calling all of the people in the lawsuit liars.
And as far as me saying you are paid by the programs, that is my conclusion, how does making an assumption based on observations make me a liar? Why else would you possibly spend this much time discrediting survivors? Not one thing you accused me of lying about did I lie about. You see, there is this thing called intelligence, some people use that intelligence, look at facts and make assumptions based on those facts, this is called analyzation. I know I'm sure I've completely lost you here douche, but really, you calling me a liar over that is no different than you calling the people who described their "transport" as kidnapping liars. You are grasping at straws here, and once again you have proved no lie. Good god you're a douche.
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #446 on: October 30, 2010, 10:00:01 PM »
Nice try, Gonzo, keep trying

 a couple of lies:

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And I love the fact that you dismiss the hundreds of people in that lawsuit as being liars.
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Then another time you were frustrated with our conversation you tried to make the readers believe that I was being paid by the industry to post here, thereby discrediting my opinions.  You have been here for about a day and know nothing about me yet you make up lies about me?

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They wouldn't try to discredit the accusers by hiring somebody to sit and babysit forums twisting words and making incredibly broad unfounded allegations of lies. I think I should call them up and let them know they are over-paying you. You are a miserable failure at discrediting anything.
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #447 on: October 30, 2010, 10:08:39 PM »
This is almost like talking to a fucking five year old, those are not lies little whooter.

Gonzo -- "Whooter you're a douche"
Whooter -- "No I'm not"
Gonzo -- "No whooter, you really are a douche"
Whooter -- "Nu'uh, I'm not a douche"
Gonzo -- "Seriously whooter, you are the biggest douche in the universe"
Whooter -- "Stop, leave me alone, your a liar"
Gonzo -- "No whooter, you're a douche"
Whooter --"I'm not a douche, liar, liar,liar,liar,liar...."
Gonzo -- "Poor whooter, fucking douche....

Those are not lies you fucking pratz.
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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #448 on: October 30, 2010, 10:16:54 PM »
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This is almost like talking to a fucking five year old, those are not lies little whooter.

Gonzo -- "Whooter you're a douche"
Whooter -- "No I'm not"
Gonzo -- "No whooter, you really are a douche"
Whooter -- "Nu'uh, I'm not a douche"
Gonzo -- "Seriously whooter, you are the biggest douche in the universe"
Whooter -- "Stop, leave me alone, your a liar"
Gonzo -- "No whooter, you're a douche"
Whooter --"I'm not a douche, liar, liar,liar,liar,liar...."
Gonzo -- "Poor whooter, fucking douche....

Those are not lies you fucking pratz.

Calm down Gonzo, there is always tomorrow.




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Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« Reply #449 on: October 30, 2010, 10:19:54 PM »
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Nice try, Gonzo, keep trying
 a couple of lies:

Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
And I love the fact that you dismiss the hundreds of people in that lawsuit as being liars.
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Then another time you were frustrated with our conversation you tried to make the readers believe that I was being paid by the industry to post here, thereby discrediting my opinions.  You have been here for about a day and know nothing about me yet you make up lies about me?

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They wouldn't try to discredit the accusers by hiring somebody to sit and babysit forums twisting words and making incredibly broad unfounded allegations of lies. I think I should call them up and let them know they are over-paying you. You are a miserable failure at discrediting anything.
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As far as I can see neither of these are lies, my opinion is that you have a vested monetary interest in programs. My assumption based on YOUR posts leads me to believe that you think the allegations of abuse are lies. Outlined in the lawsuit it specifically states kids were taken against their will as we have gone over the definition of kidnapping numerous times, this would mean kidnapping. You however stated that if anyone called being "escorted" kidnapping, they were liars. Therefore I came to the easy conclusion that you were calling the kids in the lawsuit liars. Not a lie whooter, I mean Your holiness king douche of the universe. But nice try.

And if I used your guidelines for what is and what is not a lie, damn near every word you post would be a lie.
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