Brainwash, Mind Control, Blind Trust

[Anonymous]

IMHO - If a parent attended a seminar or not, they were lead to believe a very different program that what many bought into.  For Example, so what if Karen or any parent didnt attend a seminar, the sales reps (unqualified most likely to diagnosis or even credentialed to treat) will tell the parents exactly what they want to hear. I understandt they -sales reps- are trained to do this. If your kid is ADD/ADHD, then it is for them, if the kid is Bipolar, again, they will match you up, if defiant, agian a match, you see whatever the problem the sales reps are trained to lead you to beleive they can help. Even the most educated people, like lawyers, doctors, accountants fall for this crap since they are DESPERATE. Desperation leads you to beleive the good words at the other end of the phone. Maybe a answer to your prayers or whatever. Blind trust, you betcha.  The best line for the abroad programs is  - your child will have a cultural experience - How about the promises of great academics.  Give us all a break.  You need to live to know what I am talking about.  And I bet many of you do. Not the WWASPie's they need to keep the sales pitchs alive.

[Carey]

Even the most educated people, like lawyers, doctors, accountants fall for this crap since they are DESPERATE. Desperation leads you to beleive the good words at the other end of the phone. Maybe a answer to your prayers or whatever. Blind trust, you betcha.

This is B___S____.  It does not matter what kind of degree someone has.  It has to do with common sense.  

Yeah, desperation can make educated people loose sense of reality...but for how long?  Are they still desperate after the child is placed in a program?  Are they not able at that time to sit back and reevalute the situation based on the experience that has begun after placement?

Ok, three weeks is up and they are not allowed to speak with their child as they had been told they would be able to.  How many left their child in the program anyway?  How long did they wait before communication was granted?  How long before they pulled their child?  

Any parent that left their child in the program without open communication between parent and child is without common sense!  Any parent that was fed by the seminars is without common sense.  Any parent that left their child with untrained staff in an unliscensed faciltiy is without common sense.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but I need to say this:

CAREY YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.   O-kay, I feel better now.

Too bad we all are not as perfect are Scary Carey. Stupid me, I know this will start a bunch of Bull, but like others have said, sometimes she just pushes you there.

[Anonymous]

ditto ANON.  The b-tch thinks she is so holier then thou since she believes she would have never fallen for the scam.  B____ S____ to you Scary! :grin:  Any your ugly ID.

[Antigen]

You want to know how powerful and effective this kind of brainwashing can be? Just check out this site: http://elanalum.com/ This is a site run by a former Elan staffer who, 20 or 30 years hence, is still 'in the program'. As one might expect, the whole site is locked, controled and restricted just like a WWASP site. So I can't give you a direct link to their forums, because copying urls or viewing page source code is a no-no (not impossible, just really inconvenient)

To get to their discussion forums, to through the Communications door, then to the relating table.

Have fun! Gain insight. But don't piss Ken off or he'll ban you and then trash you like he's having his very own fantasy GM and you're the newcomer.

The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.


--Thomas Sowell

[Anonymous]

That is very interesting Ginger. I dont know the Elan school. Is it as bad as WWASPS? It seems to use that mind control element.  I want to express my feelings abuot this thread.  The first anon poster is absolutely correct, I didnt attend the seminars but I did get sucked in. I am ashamed to say yes, I did screw up, BUT I also am big enough to say it. It does seems many too many of us did the same thing. We are not perfect and they had preyed on us at our weak times, and then kept stroking us so we wouldnt wake up. This is sad. Our saving factor is finally a law firm will put an end to it.

[Anonymous]

and then kept stroking us so we wouldnt wake up.

So, while you, you poor thing, were being stroked, what was happening to your child?  How sad, how selfish...but beleivable.

Sorry Ginger, but I don't beleive the parents were or are brainwashed.  They have not been isolated from society, deprived of their normal defenses, given little or no food, etc., etc.  I do beleive that the kids who have been in the program may have been and maybe still are brainwashed, but the parents, NO WAY.

[Carey]

Sorry, that was me.

I did get sucked in. I am ashamed to say yes, I did screw up,

How in the hell did you get sucked in?  What a crock of shit.  What, did you get sucked in because it was so much more peaceful for you at home with your son/daughter in a program.  What, were your ears being tickled and that is all that you needed.  Let me say it again, what a crock of shit!

. The b-tch thinks she is so holier then thou since she believes she would have never fallen for the scam

Nope, not holier then thou...just think neglegent parents should be held accountable too.  

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[Anonymous]

:eek:  :eek:  :eek:

[Anonymous]

Judging by how many of these parents are "potential plaintiffs" in the HURON lawsuit, I'd say these parents are sorry, allright.  Plaintiff-ly Sorry ...

 :roll:

[Anonymous]

Judging by how many of these parents are "potential plaintiffs" in the HURON lawsuit, I'd say these parents are sorry, allright. Plaintiff-ly Sorry [/QUTOE]

Really, well maybe if that is all it takes is being sorry, then maybe WWASP can just be sorry too?  

I don't think these parents are sorry.  I think these parents are mad because they spent sooooo much money and got very little in return.  I would love to know for each plantiff in this case, how many months total their child was left in the program.  I would love to know how many months it took before they had any REAL communication with their child.  I would love to hear how the program brainwashed them (the parent).  What was the method used on the parent, isolation, deprivation, WHAT?

[Carey]

That was me.

[Antigen]

On 2003-10-11 17:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

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and then kept stroking us so we wouldnt wake up.

So, while you, you poor thing, were being stroked, what was happening to your child?  How sad, how selfish...but beleivable.



Sorry Ginger, but I don't beleive the parents were or are brainwashed.  They have not been isolated from society, deprived of their normal defenses, given little or no food, etc., etc.  I do beleive that the kids who have been in the program may have been and maybe still are brainwashed, but the parents, NO WAY.



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No, they really are. Carey, I have known a LOT of program parents in my lifetime. Remember that, from the time I was around 6 until I was 15 and placed in Straight, program families were the only people I was really allowed to hang out with. Open meetings every Friday, "volunteer" work making up lunches for group on Sundays. We're talking about the culture of my childhood here; my kin, my tribe, the folks I knew better than I knew myself in my formative years.

They do become isolated from the rest of society. Not by brute force, they volunteerily impose the isolation on themselves. Have you noticed how insular the TeenHelp forums are? These folks only talk to eachother and, in order to keep group approval, are not allowed to be friends with anyone 'not in good standing'. How the parents are discouraged from having much meaningful contact with their own extended family members if they're not 'supportive of the program'?

No, there's no one standing over them every minute of every day keeping them from using a telephone. But they become convinced that if they buck the program, their children will die!

Carey, I've had people my age call me and tell me they'd wanted to speak to me for awhile, but were afraid one of the other program parents would find out and turn them in to staff. I know and you know they have every freedom to just pull their kids. They don't know that anymore. They're well trained to equate quitting the program with murdering their own child.

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[Carey]

Ginger, I respect you and your insight on this topic, but I do not agree with you that the parents are "brainwashed."  Maybe they are easily influenced by others, but they are not brainwashed.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-11 19:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Judging by how many of these parents are "potential plaintiffs" in the HURON lawsuit, I'd say these parents are sorry, allright. Plaintiff-ly Sorry

Really, well maybe if that is all it takes is being sorry, then maybe WWASP can just be sorry too?  



I don't think these parents are sorry.  I think these parents are mad because they spent sooooo much money and got very little in return.  I would love to know for each plantiff in this case, how many months total their child was left in the program.  I would love to know how many months it took before they had any REAL communication with their child.  I would love to hear how the program brainwashed them (the parent).  What was the method used on the parent, isolation, deprivation, WHAT?

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Seems to me these parents really have nobody to blame but themselves and that the only people who should benefit from a lawsuit are the children who were made to suffer the consequences of their parents actions.  Second, if these parents are so outraged, why didn't they bring their own civil lawsuits against the people alleged to have abused their children?  Doesn't make sense at all but then again, most of these parents are claiming they JUST RECENTLY WOKE UP which seems to suggest they were comatose the rest of the time and unable to take any DIRECT ACTION themselves. Wonder how that explanation will hold up in the court of public opinion, not to mention a court of law?  I mean, where is the documentation to prove these parents were suffering from anything but indifference to the
quality of their child's care and treatment?  If it's there, I honestly don't see it except in a few publicized cases involving children whose parents pulled them shortly after placement.

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