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Offline RobertBruce

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How often do Programmies lie?
« on: November 11, 2010, 03:03:47 PM »
Of course the answer is only when they're talking.

With Whooter John out of the way for time being, I thought we could take this opportunity to have a conversation that isn't trolled or derailed by him right out of the gate.

Post examples of the oft repeated lies programmies tell. I think the first one listed should be the ones they often encourage parents to tell their kids (those who are not kidnapped and brought to their programs anyway). The one that says, "Load up the car, we're going to_____________.

Numerous kids who were incarcerated with me during my year spent at HLA were told they were going to Grandma's, going to the beach, going to Disney World, going any number of places rather than where they were actually going. An abusive kiddie prison.

Is this practice really theraputic or even helpful? Openly encouraging parents to lie to their children in an effort to lock them up? How does this do anything but create mistrust between child and parent. So many of these kids are locked up for being told they constantly lie and manipulate, yet the programmies and parents use the same tactics to get what they want. Somehow the double standard doesnt apply.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 03:15:08 PM »
Lie #1: This treatment is highly individualized.
Lie #2: We are accredited professionals.
Lie #3: We help students be successful in the real world.
Lie #4: We help put families back together again.
Lie #5: You can trust us.
Lie #6: You will go to lock up if you don't conform. (Scare tactic to a kid who has never shoplifted, much less acted violently, etc.)

 
And the greatest lies are the ones never told.  The presumption that they have our best interest at heart. That they serve the needs of the child. That they don't lie.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 03:17:36 PM »
Forgot one... or 1000.

If you pull X out, she will be deadinsaneorinjail within a week.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 03:40:20 PM »
How often?  "Continuously."

These people lie even when they don't have to.  Take, for example, Whooter.  He lied about everything including "fabricating a son."  He lied about his fiduciary interests.  Lied that he has a daughter.  Lied that his daughter got a HS diploma from ASR, an unaccredited "school" and leaving out the fact that she dropped out of HS when she got home, quit speaking to him for several years and took five years to finally graduate HS.  He lied about being a parent with kids in various programs.  He lied when he posed as children, staff, parents and even research professionals.  He lied about every poster with whom he's ever interacted here.  He lied about sending PMs.  He lied about his dozen of logins and his over fifty aliases.  He lied about posting disgusting scat porn.  He lied about EVERYTHING.

That's just a short incomplete list of the lies of one single programmie.  They're all a bunch of fucking fabricators.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 03:53:05 PM »
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Lie #1: This treatment is highly individualized.

Yet somehow every kid who walks through their doors is diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder aka is a teenager.

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Lie #2: We are accredited professionals.

 :roflmao:

This one always cracks me up. That and "We are fully licensed."

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Lie #3: We help students be successful in the real world.

At what I have never heard.

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Lie #4: We help put families back together again.


Through lies and mistrust. Garrunteed!

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Lie #5: You can trust us.

To abuse your kid and lie to you about it.

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Lie #6: You will go to lock up if you don't conform. (Scare tactic to a kid who has never shoplifted, much less acted violently, etc.)


Timeless classic. I heard the same thing I was strolling down the road middle finger held high. More than 10 years later their prophecy of doom hasn't come true yet. Of course I'm sure I'll die someday, but if it's from cancer in my 90's I don't know if they can pull a 'I told you so'. I'm sure they'll all be looking up from hell trying to say so though anyway.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 05:12:23 PM »
Awww, what happened to Whooter? His stupidity and lies were incredibly entertaining.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 05:37:25 PM »
He's been temporarily banned. He's been fixated and obsessed with DJ for years and trolls him incessantly due to the fact that Whooter John has an unrequited man crush on DJ. Whooter has lost countless arguments on here and is constantly embarrassed and shamed. He becomes enraged at this fact, so he begins lying about those who have hurt his feelings. He also likes to send numerous PM in an effort to hide his rage. He was warned not to do this as it was unwanted. Whooter doesn't feel rules apply to him, but they do, and his flagarant violations have gotten him banned. Sadly it's only for one week.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 05:50:12 PM »
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Of course the answer is only when they're talking.

With Whooter John out of the way for time being, I thought we could take this opportunity to have a conversation that isn't trolled or derailed by him right out of the gate.

Post examples of the oft repeated lies programmies tell. I think the first one listed should be the ones they often encourage parents to tell their kids (those who are not kidnapped and brought to their programs anyway). The one that says, "Load up the car, we're going to_____________.

Numerous kids who were incarcerated with me during my year spent at HLA were told they were going to Grandma's, going to the beach, going to Disney World, going any number of places rather than where they were actually going. An abusive kiddie prison.

Is this practice really theraputic or even helpful? Openly encouraging parents to lie to their children in an effort to lock them up? How does this do anything but create mistrust between child and parent. So many of these kids are locked up for being told they constantly lie and manipulate, yet the programmies and parents use the same tactics to get what they want. Somehow the double standard doesnt apply.

Mom told me we were going to Six Flags Theme Park. I was all excited and everything. Within hours I was in an intake room at Straight inc. Encouraging parents to lie to their children is some low down shit. Yes programmies lie and lie and then lie some more.
Cool that whoot got himself suspended. I will drink to that.  :cheers:
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 07:08:03 PM »
Just one more example of not only how horrible these people are, but how there's virtually no difference between them. Why, if this was a safe effective industry, would they encourage parents to lie to their kids?

Whooter John what are your thoug.......oh wait.....he can't respond......he was banned......again.


Seriously what is this the 4th time?
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 07:26:25 PM »
Six Flags!  Oh that's messed up.  My mom told me we had an appointment with a "family counselor".  Hah!  Manson Family counselor is more like it.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 07:46:43 PM »
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Six Flags!  Oh that's messed up.  My mom told me we had an appointment with a "family counselor".  Hah!  Manson Family counselor is more like it.

Yeah we were going to Atlanta to visit Six Flags. When we pulled into the parking lot of the building my parents lied again by telling me that this was a doctors office and we had a brief appointment to attend. It would just take a minute they said. A year and a half later I emerged from that "brief appointment".
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 10:32:53 PM »
One of my room mates whenever he was allowed his ten minute per week monitored phone call would always ask if this was the week he was going to finally get to see the Ocean.

I wonder how programmies justify these manipulations?
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 04:28:32 PM »
Funny how so far none of the programmies have a justification for this lie.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 11:57:56 PM »
Although I don't like the term "programmie", as it sounds sort of loaded but i'd say they lie a good portion of the time, explicitly or by omission.  They neglect to tell parents they receive payments from certain programs for referrals. They scare the parents, earn their trust, and then misuse it by mistreating and brainwashing the kids (parents: sounds extreme, but if you hear the evidence, it's convincing.)   They lie to the kids about what the program is going to be like.  They lie about what's the best options for the kids.  They lie about the kid's issues.  They make up stories about things.  They lie to keep the kids in the program longer (knock them down levels) if they think the parents have enough money to pay for a lot longer.

They lied to my parents, saying I was in therapy and bla bla bla when in reality they were warehousing me.  Sure I eventually got some freedom but that was only because I bluffed that I had retained a lawyer about a legal issue I had with them (very long story).  I drew up a contract with the program, they signed it, and at that point they mostly kept to it.  Behind the scenes, however, they were teling my parents lies about me.  They had convinced my parents not to talk to me.  They told my parents that if they took me home I would implode and do all sorts of crazy things.  None of this happened, of course, but it was enough for my parents to freak out. Eventually they figured it out, however, and they came they saw and they did not approve.  After that my parents never really trusted the program again, I think.

I came home, I went to college, I didn't kill myself or get a record or fail massively somehow.  I graduated, I got a job.  I did fine.  I am fine.  The program lied.  Some program people lie because they are sociopaths.  Some lie because they believe they have the absolute truth and are trying to spread their "truth" to others.  That's beyond the scope of this thready but to the main point, overall i'd say when program representatives are talking to parents they're lying around 70% of the time.  That's based on my research, personal experience, and the simple fact that the vast majority of parents looking for" Troubled Teen" help end up in the clutches of the "bad programs".  The "ethical/good programs", if there are any, simply would not be able to compete against programs that pay for referrals.  They would die out for lack of student population (assuming genuine boarding school).  Educational consultants can legally take kickbacks for referrals and not tell the parent.  Since they can do it legally, they tend to take advantage of it.
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Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2010, 10:42:42 AM »
Quote from: "Samara"
Lie #1: This treatment is highly individualized.
Lie #2: We are accredited professionals.
Lie #3: We help students be successful in the real world.
Lie #4: We help put families back together again.
Lie #5: You can trust us.
Lie #6: You will go to lock up if you don't conform. (Scare tactic to a kid who has never shoplifted, much less acted violently, etc.)

 
And the greatest lies are the ones never told.  The presumption that they have our best interest at heart. That they serve the needs of the child. That they don't lie.
:notworthy: So true.
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