Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies

[RobertBruce]

Speaking of things that won't go away, Whootie can I get you to answer my earlier questions?

[Whooter]

Speaking of things that won't go away, Whootie can I get you to answer my earlier questions?

No,  You are just trolling for drama, Devon.  If you join in an honest conversation without attacking people and can maintain that for 10 posts or more then I may tackle your questions.  But I am not going to go in circles with you.



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[Whooter]

All those years of you doing this to me, I have to admit it is fun!!!   lol

Well lets take a look at what is real or not.  Hmmmm...

Someone challenged your education history and you got pissed off and started editing and updating your history.

After you edited your posts you wrote this:  which is your education history:

DJ, On June 30, 2010 you posted this:

June 30 post on DJ's education

A few hours before you posted the above you went and cleaned up your history going back 5 years.  Here is an example.  Notice the edit stamp at the bottom says:

June 30, 2010

DJ cleaned up all his history going back 5 years

Another one!  Oh No! DJ was busy cleaning.

Why would you go back 5 years and start editing all your education history just before you posted an update if you have been honest all along?

Just asking.  Why do you accuse others of lying when you deceive the posters here on fornits for 5 years about yourself and education history.

Do you want to tell everyone why you left the industry?  Were you truthful about that too?  Did you have a change of heart or were you forced out because of background checks?  Do you want to take a  look at that next?

See anyone can play the same game you do, DJ.  You have just spent years fabricating an image under the user name Dysfunction junction.



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sting!!!!  wont go away.  lol

[RobertBruce]

Speaking of things that won't go away, Whootie can I get you to answer my earlier questions?

No,  You are just trolling for drama, Devon.  If you join in an honest conversation without attacking people and can maintain that for 10 posts or more then I may tackle your questions.  But I am not going to go in circles with you.



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The guy who does nothing but spam the board with his repetative nonsense talks about going in circles? If that isn't ironic I'm not sure what is.

I asked you two simple questions John, there was no attack. I'm interested in hearing why you really attended this meeting, and why you changed your mind regarding food rationing.

[Whooter]

Speaking of things that won't go away, Whootie can I get you to answer my earlier questions?

No,  You are just trolling for drama, Devon.  If you join in an honest conversation without attacking people and can maintain that for 10 posts or more then I may tackle your questions.  But I am not going to go in circles with you.



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The guy who does nothing but spam the board with his repetative nonsense talks about going in circles? If that isn't ironic I'm not sure what is.

I asked you two simple questions John, there was no attack. I'm interested in hearing why you really attended this meeting, and why you changed your mind regarding food rationing.

If you remember back to that time we were putting together data to look at suicide rates and homicides within the public school system versus the TBS and wilderness.  There were people here on fornits (yourself included) who were participating in this and I was in Chicago and there were a few of us from Fornits who met to determine how this project should be tackled.  It was decided that we should focus on the TBS because this was "Where the real money is"  (this comment always riled up DJ) and get supporting data for the public sector to compare.  You helped with this project, Devon.  I ended up developing a matrix which we presented on this site along with your help.

As far as food rationing is concerned I dont believe I changed my mind on this.  If you feel I have then we can discuss it.



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[Whooter]

Bob, The links and formatting may be off because fornits has changed revisions since this was posted, but maybe this will refresh your memory of what we were looking at.

I think you will see that after you eliminate the state run hospitals and boot camps the numbers look pretty good.

NCES still has not released their data for 2004-2005 year..... as soon as it becomes availble I will add the figures in.


You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides   , 2,959 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides   , 2,868 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides   , 2,846 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2003 thru June 2004   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides   , 2,722 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
 NCES National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles (caica.org, isaccorp.org), posts and PM?s....  All deaths are verified thru local news articles.
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

[RobertBruce]

If you remember back to that time we were putting together data to look at suicide rates and homicides within the public school system versus the TBS and wilderness. There were people here on fornits (yourself included) who were participating in this and I was in Chicago and there were a few of us from Fornits who met to determine how this project should be tackled. It was decided that we should focus on the TBS because this was "Where the real money is" (this comment always riled up DJ) and get supporting data for the public sector to compare. You helped with this project, Devon. I ended up developing a matrix which we presented on this site along with your help.

As far as food rationing is concerned I dont believe I changed my mind on this. If you feel I have then we can discuss it

Oh I well recall how we established that the TBS is far more dangerous than public schools, what I don't recall are any other posters supporting your data. I do recall a number of people arguing with you about who should be included and who shouldn't. You seemed to believe that you and you alone were the only one who should determine what deaths counted and what didn't. Can you tell me now some other posters that met with you in Chicago. Also why would you need to meet with posters, why couldnt you simply discuss the issue on fornits?

As far as the food issue goes, let me ask you John, do you believe now that food rationing as a form of punishment is abusive?

[Whooter]

Oh I well recall how we established that the TBS is far more dangerous than public schools, what I don't recall are any other posters supporting your data.

Its been awhile and you were always of the mindset that the industry was more dangerous that the public sector, but the numbers proved that the industry was a safer environment than public school.

do recall a number of people arguing with you about who should be included and who shouldn't. You seemed to believe that you and you alone were the only one who should determine what deaths counted and what didn't.

There were many heated arguments!  Lol I remember someone getting really pissed off because they considered a child who committed suicide 2 years after leaving a program as a program death even though she was in the public sector.  So trying to establish agreeable boundary conditions was a challenge.

Can you tell me now some other posters that met with you in Chicago. Also why would you need to meet with posters, why couldnt you simply discuss the issue on fornits?

I don’t recall if there was any reasoning at the time to meet off site.  It just happened.  I remember the people we met with but I don’t recall their usernames off hand,  I would have to go back to the time of the discussion to see who was posting then.

As far as the food issue goes, let me ask you John, do you believe now that food rationing as a form of punishment is abusive?

You need to look at the number of calories and the individual child.  A child who is clearly overweight may necessitate a different caloric meal than one who is underweight.  I am not in a position to determine how the scales are tipped to define abuse.  But basically kids should be allowed to fill up as much as they want at each meal unless there are restrictions.



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[RobertBruce]

Its been awhile and you were always of the mindset that the industry was more dangerous that the public sector, but the numbers proved that the industry was a safer environment than public school.

You're mistaken. Your own numbers and the sources you claimed to cite undeniably showed the public schools were far safer than the TBS. The end result of the discussion seemed to bring everyone to that same point. I had thought you were on board with that as well?

There were many heated arguments! Lol I remember someone getting really pissed off because they considered a child who committed suicide 2 years after leaving a program as a program death even though she was in the public sector. So trying to establish agreeable boundary conditions was a challenge.

I dont recall that specific argument, although I too would have found it ridiculus. However I do remember a number of arguments people had with you regarding other instances that you refused to include. A child dies from heat stroke after being forced to march in the desert, and you claim the program wasn't respondsible. A child is crushed to death by a staffer and you blamed McDonald's. Again though I don't recall any other posters supporting your data.

I don’t recall if there was any reasoning at the time to meet off site. It just happened. I remember the people we met with but I don’t recall their usernames off hand, I would have to go back to the time of the discussion to see who was posting then.

Please do. I'm interested to hear more about this meeting.

You need to look at the number of calories and the individual child. A child who is clearly overweight may necessitate a different caloric meal than one who is underweight. I am not in a position to determine how the scales are tipped to define abuse. But basically kids should be allowed to fill up as much as they want at each meal unless there are restrictions.

I believe during the initial discussion it was shown that the average teenager requires 2000 calories per day. A severley restricted diet coupled with intense exercise and manual labor cannot be heathy. Wouldnt you consider that abusive? Your earlier comments on this thread seem to suggest that you do.

[Whooter]

You're mistaken. Your own numbers and the sources you claimed to cite undeniably showed the public schools were far safer than the TBS. The end result of the discussion seemed to bring everyone to that same point. I had thought you were on board with that as well?

Sometimes it helps to revisit the numbers.  Lets take another look:

There is a clear advantage in having a child in a private program versus the public sector.

I think you will see that after you eliminate the state run hospitals and boot camps the numbers look pretty good.

NCES still has not released their data for 2004-2005 year..... as soon as it becomes availble I will add the figures in.


You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides   , 2,959 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides   , 2,868 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides   , 2,846 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2003 thru June 2004   Children 8-18 years of age.

Public Sector: -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides   , 2,722 Total  (NCES, CDC)

Therapeutic Industry:

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
 NCES National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles (caica.org, isaccorp.org), posts and PM?s....  All deaths are verified thru local news articles.
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

[RobertBruce]

John I'm not sure why you're reposting your numbers repeatedly. The facts are quite clear on the issue, the TBS is far mreo dangerous than Public Schools. This was settled several years ago I see no reason to rehash it.

I am interested in hearing answers to the questions I mentioned.

[DannyB II]

John I'm not sure why you're reposting your numbers repeatedly. The facts are quite clear on the issue, the TBS is far mreo dangerous than Public Schools. This was settled several years ago I see no reason to rehash it.

I am interested in hearing answers to the questions I mentioned.

Robert, DJ, Joel or whoever else you want to impersonate, why is it necessary for you to repetitively show that you can be a imbecile.
I am not trying to insult you, really. But you really sound like you may be slow or a little late in catching on to things here.
Try to keep up, please. The numbers were posted for a very good reason, if you do not understand, ask and we will take the time to explain them again.
Your statement shows that you clearly have no common sense at all, not judging, just say'in.

[RobertBruce]

So says the guy who believes I'm someone elses alter ego.

Have a good night John, we'll pick up again tomorrow.

[Troll Control]

How old were you, Whooter, when you were arrested in MI?  I don't think you were a minor as you claimed.  How old?

How old were you when you were tossed in jail in MI, Whooter?  It's not that tough of a question.  Unless you've been locked up so many times you can't remember individual bids, this should just be a simple two-keystroke answer.

[Anne Bonney]

Robert, DJ, Joel or whoever else you want to impersonate, why is it necessary for you to repetitively show that you can be a imbecile.
I am not trying to insult you, really. But you really sound like you may be slow or a little late in catching on to things here.
Try to keep up, please. The numbers were posted for a very good reason, if you do not understand, ask and we will take the time to explain them again.
Your statement shows that you clearly have no common sense at all, not judging, just say'in.

I've been saying that for a while.  I've come to the conclusion that he really can't help himself.  There's a clinical term for this condition, but the name escapes me at the moment.