Incidental Fees

[Deborah]

The thread is titled "Incidental Fees", not "Incidental Fees at WWASP facilties". This board has only recently been inundated by WWASP people and dialogue, it's not exclusively WWASP.
And WWASP doesn't have the market cornered on scamming parents for every penny they can suck out of them. It's Industry-wide.

As for Melissa's post, It's much easier for me to believe someone who has been there and lived it. You as a parent have no clue what transpires on a day-to-day basis....only what you are told and want to believe. What exactly is your "personal experience"? How many months/years did you spend there- since that is truly the only way to know what's really happening?

[Anonymous]

Melissa - I just have to jump in here on this one!  No one, and I mean NO ONE in my family had a history of acne.  My sister and I both got it, not like pizza face, but annoying just the same between the ages of 15-18.  It had nothing to do with cleanliness or diet, we are vegetarians and had plenty of cleansers.  If acne was so easy to clear up, why are there TONS of products on the shelves and dermatologists prescribing all kinds of "cures?"  Teenagers get acne, some adults get acne.  Fact of Life.  P.S. - I also use Suave products.

[spots]

My grandaughter got 2 letters out during her first 6 weeks at Casa by the Sea.  The first which made it through asked for soap.  The second, 3 weeks later, contained thanks for the soap.

She lost her only bar of soap on her first week there, by leaving it in the shower.  She was told she was "up shit creek", and new toiletries would be available by passing before a cardboard box of cheap stuff available only on the first of each month.  For her "family" of 25 girls, a total of nearly $2500 was paid by parents for a cardboard box of the poorest quality of personal products.  When she lost her soap (or even if it was stolen), no replacement was available.

Her mother sent her a small gift box containing bar soap (no specials such as perfumed personal items were allowed). This package was sent to Chula Vista. CA to Casa Couriers, a parents' group which sends packages on a random schedule, identifying them as "school materials, books, etc."  Their web site gives explicit instructions on how to hide items from Mexican inspection and how to remove any labels signifying Chinese origin (Mexico has a high tariff on those imports).  Begun as an effort to circumvent the $100 Federal Express fees for delivery to Ensenada, this group sends packages but requests a "donation" of $20 for each smaller package.

So the saga of a bar of Irish Spring goes from $95 per month "incidental" fees to the $$$ of purchasing, wrapping, mailing such items to Southern California, to the $20 or more to have Casa Couriers do their very illicit delivery.  All for a bar of soap, which is not covered in the $2000 monthly boarding fee.

[Anonymous]

Melissa,

  Wether you use to (or do) believe my story, i agree with you about the whole hygene thing and how being in a wwasp facility can cause acne. I experienced the same thing. I wasnt alloud to look in the mirror at all! i was punished for looking at my reflection in a spoon. WWASP definatley caused my acne and if i never would have gone to a wwasp facility then i wouldnt have it. Im totally with u on that one. And to all those people who havent been to a wwasp facility then shutup cause u are nothing to judge if you question the truth about being in a wwasp prison. There is no question that it can cause terrible hygene and acne. and ive spent countless cash on facials, peels, and products, (accutane is the only thing that works)  

Your parents are billed if you look in a mirror or the reflection of yourself and you get in trouble. And someone is stupid enough to tell me thats healthy? WWASP is abusive in every way- no need to debate it mel, some people think they can justify abuse by "praising the program". The truth is is going to bite them in the A$$.  

i do think some people on fornits are crazy, however mellissa is right,  i did experience the same situation.

[Carey]

AS a parent, I didnt sign up for my child to be abused or lack the sanitation they need to feel clean and feel better

That is what can happen when you personally do not check on your child.  Every parent should be actively involved in their childs treatment, whether it be in rehab, boarding schools or wherever.  If a parent chooses, and you must choose no one can take that right to choose away from you, to not see your child for an extended peiod of time because a school or treatment centers says it is in the best interest of the child, well then this is what can happen.  


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[anon]

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[MelissaR]

Oh yah, don't even get me started on the food situation... I remember those bug things, the weevils! I knew that's what they were... I found all sorts of things in my "food," including a tooth from one of the cooks one time. The administration wrote off my grievance (of  course) and told me it was MY tooth that was inside of the food.... except I hadn't lost a tooth since I was 12. Anyway, yah, the food situation at SCL is tricky because they get you addicted to their disgsting carbs so you get a big fat belly ring which seems like you are "healthy" and well fed, but it's just the carbs and sedimentary lifestyle setting in. That too, has stuck on me like glue....

[Anonymous]

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In no way was it a matter of singing over the kids. It was just the same kind of thing parents sign for day care operators and baby sitters; sometimes other family members

Really???  So to you Karen, putting your child in a school in another country because you were having problems with him, is just like putting your child in a day care down the  street.  A day care in which you can walk into at anytime to check on your child.  A day care in which you pick up your child every evening and are able to see that they are fine.  To you....it was the same as putting a child in a day care?

I guess you are the kind of parent who signs a contract with WWASP giving them the full authority to "control" your child...makes sense to me now.  I just could not figure what kind of person could be so DUMB.  Now I know.

[anon]

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[Deborah]

Really??? So to you Karen, putting your child in a school in another country because you were having problems with him, is just like putting your child in a day care down the street.
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Oh please. I think you need to read her message again. You obviously misunderstood or your desire to attack and defend is overriding your ability to read and comprehend.
 
Here's some homework that could improve your comprehension and attention to details, if you're interested. Cut and paste the comment that remotely compares placing a teen in a program to placing a child in daycare... or implies in ANY way that they are similar.

[Anonymous]

It was just the same kind of thing parents sign for day care operators and baby sitters sometimes other family members

That is exactly what she said!  She says "it was just the same kind of thing parents sign for day care operators and baby sitters sometimes other family members."  She is saying what she signed was the same kind of thing that parents sign when they leave their child with a sitter or at a day care.  If she compares the WWASP contract to a day care contract...then she is DUMB...and she is the kind of parent who would sign over the "control" of her child to a program.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-07 19:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

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It was just the same kind of thing parents sign for day care operators and baby sitters sometimes other family members

That is exactly what she said!  She says "it was just the same kind of thing parents sign for day care operators and baby sitters sometimes other family members."  She is saying what she signed was the same kind of thing that parents sign when they leave their child with a sitter or at a day care.  If she compares the WWASP contract to a day care contract...then she is DUMB...and she is the kind of parent who would sign over the "control" of her child to a program."

Well, Karen may be off-base here, but let's face it, rationalizing the committment of children into these institutions is a challenge for any parent.  At least she is trying to make sense of it all which is better than program parents who apparently can't think their way out of a paper bag!!

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-07 20:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2003-10-07 19:16:00, Anonymous wrote:


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It was just the same kind of thing parents sign for day care operators and baby sitters sometimes other family members

That is exactly what she said!  She says "it was just the same kind of thing parents sign for day care operators and baby sitters sometimes other family members."  She is saying what she signed was the same kind of thing that parents sign when they leave their child with a sitter or at a day care.  If she compares the WWASP contract to a day care contract...then she is DUMB...and she is the kind of parent who would sign over the "control" of her child to a program."

Well, Karen may be off-base here, but let's face it, rationalizing the committment of children into these institutions is a challenge for any parent.  At least she is trying to make sense of it all which is better than program parents who apparently can't think their way out of a paper bag!!"

 Nice to see you being compassionate. To someone anyway.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-07 01:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Melissa,



  Wether you use to (or do) believe my story, i agree with you about the whole hygene thing and how being in a wwasp facility can cause acne. I experienced the same thing. I wasnt alloud to look in the mirror at all! i was punished for looking at my reflection in a spoon. WWASP definatley caused my acne and if i never would have gone to a wwasp facility then i wouldnt have it. Im totally with u on that one. And to all those people who havent been to a wwasp facility then shutup cause u are nothing to judge if you question the truth about being in a wwasp prison. There is no question that it can cause terrible hygene and acne. and ive spent countless cash on facials, peels, and products, (accutane is the only thing that works)  



Your parents are billed if you look in a mirror or the reflection of yourself and you get in trouble. And someone is stupid enough to tell me thats healthy? WWASP is abusive in every way- no need to debate it mel, some people think they can justify abuse by "praising the program". The truth is is going to bite them in the A$$.  



i do think some people on fornits are crazy, however mellissa is right,  i did experience the same situation."

First, Melissa - bathing in dirty water?  I thought you guys had showers, not bathtubs, when did that change?  

Second, to the poster of this message.  You are so full of crap.  No parent has ever been billed for their kid looking in a mirror.  That's about as believable as saying teens don't get acne if they don't go wwasp.  Jeeez.... :rofl:

[Anonymous]

that message was not melissa's so get off her case or your gonna look like a fool. I got her back cause i believe her and i experienced the same thing. so Shut yo mouth Biachh.

YOUR PARENTS DO GET BILLED IF YOUR KID LOOKS OUT THE WINDOW OR LOOKS AT THERE REFLECTION. THEY SAY LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW IS "RUN AWAY PLANS" WHICH IS A CAT 4 AND ITS LIKE 30-50 DOLLARS.

SECOND, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR REFLECTION IN THE MIRROR THEN YOU PARENTS GET BILLED, ITS CALLED A CAT 2 CONSIQUENCE. YOU WOULD BE SUPRISED OF HOW FREELY THE STAFF HANDS OUT CONSIQUENCES. THE REASON WHY THEY HAND OUT AS MANY AS POSSIBLE IS BECAUSE YOUR PARENTS PAY MORE AND MORE. DO NOT TELL US WHAT HAPPEND IF U HAVENT BEEN THERE. YOU TRULY HAVE NOO IDEAA. ITS A FEELING SO HOPELESS THAT YOU WOULDNT THINK WOULD EXIST.