Public School and Program Abuse

[Whooter]

I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  



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[Anne Bonney]

I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  

And your point is......?  


They're not comparable, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself that they are.

[Whooter]

I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  

And your point is......?  

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.



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[Anne Bonney]

I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  

And your point is......?  

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.

You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.

[Whooter]

I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  

And your point is......?  

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.

You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.

The places have differences but they are comparable also.  Public schools and catholic schools are different, one has uniforms the other does not, one costs money out of pocket the other does not.  One teaches religion the other does not  etc.  But they are comparable also.  I understand the differences between programs and public schools.  I am comparing them on a level of safety and reported incidences of abuse.  We could do the same with public and private schools.



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[Anne Bonney]

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.

You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.

The places have differences but they are comparable also.  Public schools and catholic schools are different, one has uniforms the other does not, one costs money out of pocket the other does not.  One teaches religion the other does not  etc.  But they are comparable also.  I understand the differences between programs and public schools.  I am comparing them on a level of safety and reported incidences of abuse.  We could do the same with public and private schools.

Bullshit. Private schools don't isolate kids from family and the real world.  Private schools don't beat the kids.  Private schools actually teach with qualified teachers.

[Samara]

I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

[Anne Bonney]

I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

Ditto.....went to private school from 1st thru 8th grade.

[Whooter]

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.

You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.

The places have differences but they are comparable also.  Public schools and catholic schools are different, one has uniforms the other does not, one costs money out of pocket the other does not.  One teaches religion the other does not  etc.  But they are comparable also.  I understand the differences between programs and public schools.  I am comparing them on a level of safety and reported incidences of abuse.  We could do the same with public and private schools.

Bullshit. Private schools don't isolate kids from family and the real world.  Private schools don't beat the kids.  Private schools actually teach with qualified teachers.

Some programs have highly qualified teachers and some bring in teachers from local community colleges to teach AP courses and prepare kids for college.  Programs have sports teams which compete with local highschools in the area.  My daughter was never beaten nor was anyone in her peer group.  I never heard of a kid being beaten at ASR.

Technically every school is different.  Some are in the north, some in the south, some have good teachers some have bad teachers.  But that is why we compare to see what the differences are.


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[Dysfunction Junction]

I never heard of a kid being beaten at ASR.

I have.  And so have others.

[Whooter]

I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

I never saw any abuse either.  I attended parochial school.  I think what we are seeing is that many of these kids are approached by teachers and they are meeting after hours on school grounds and off school groounds.  Many of the parents both work outside the home and are not around to watch their kids.  The kids in programs are so busy 24/7 that a predator doesnt have as much opportunity to get a child alone as we are seeing in the public schools.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

I never saw any abuse either.  I attended parochial school.  I think what we are seeing is that many of these kids are approached by teachers and they are meeting after hours on school grounds and off school groounds.  Many of the parents both work outside the home and are not around to watch their kids.  The kids in programs are so busy 24/7 that a predator doesnt have as much opportunity to get a child alone as we are seeing in the public schools.



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The program owners themselves are molesting children.  This guy got charged with 167 counts of sexually abusing children at his program.

Gage sentenced to 45 years
By Eric Dolson
February 2, 2001

Steven Gage will probably spend the rest of his life in prison.

Gage, 43, the former proprietor of Royal Haven Equestrian Center for Girls near Sisters, was sentenced to 45 years behind bars on 27 counts of theft, criminal mistreatment and sex abuse of teenage girls under his care.

The sentence was handed down by Judge Stephen Tiktin on January 31, 2001. It followed the guidelines of a plea agreement between Gage and the Deschutes County District Attorney reached January 4.

Prior to sentencing, victim after victim of Gage's abuse, including girls who ranged in age from 14 to 18 at the time the sex abuse occurred, gave tearful testimony that he should received the maximum sentence allowed under the plea agreement.

 
"He took the trust we gave him and twisted it for his own sexual desire ... I was just a child, and so was every other girl he molested," said one young woman who accounted for nearly half of the original 146 counts of sex abuse that occurred.

While she spoke, Gage sat at the defense table, shrunken, having lost dozens of pounds while sitting in jail seven months waiting for his trial. His hair was thin and graying, his face hollow and white. His head shook slightly from side, either from a slight tremor or perhaps in denial of the atrocities described.

His head seemed to barely reach above the collar of an oversize denim jacket with the words "Deschutes County Jail" stenciled on the back. It made him seem even smaller.

"Look at him! Do you think that this man would ever be a part of any teenage girl's fantasies? It was disgusting!" said one of the coerced sexual activity with Gage.

"I don't know what shell of a human being does this to 13- or 15- or 17-year-old girls and thinks he can get away with it," said another. "He preyed on the souls of children for his own sense of confidence."


Parents told the judge of the nearly unbearable guilt they felt when they had discovered what Gage had done to their daughters.

"We were seeking desperately a safe harbor. Imagine the shock and horror and outrage when we learned that we had delivered her into the hands of an uncontrolled, manipulative, evil, sexual predator," said one father.

There was as much outrage over his methods of control, the way he isolated the girls, attempted to turn them against their parents and each other, how he lied and threatened and intimidated them.

The girls testified that their fear extended even to bucolic Sisters High School where, under a previous administration, Gage had conned his way in as a truant officer, offered the services of his supposedly trained drug-sniffing dogs. He had keys to the building, his partner Karen Lee was on the school board.

"We could not go to the school (authorities). We would look out the door of English class, expecting to see his face," cried one girl.

 
A Sisters teacher in the courtroom flinched as these words were spoken.

The girls told of how he gave favors of jewelry and privileges to his "special girls," the ones who did not or could not resist his sexual advances.

Only Gage's daughter testified in his defense. She could barely be understood through her tears as she spoke of how she could not stand to hear these accusations against "my dad," how her father had helped many of these girls, how he "did the best he could for everybody."

She felt his guilty plea was the act of a hero, the act of a man who's love of wife and children was proven by a willingness to sacrifice the rest of his life so that they would not have to suffer.


Another victim.

In determining the sentence, Judge Tiktin first spoke to assuage the guilt of parents and the girls.

As a man who has seen much of the worst, as a man who must be "always suspicious and even cynical," Judge Tiktin told them that "I myself could have been deceived by Mr. Gage ... (until yesterday), I think I failed to grasp the character and scope of his crimes.

" ... what happened is not your fault," the judge told parents and girls. He praised the courage of those girls who came forward.


Turning to Steven Gage, Judge Tiktin said that he believed Royal Haven "was a scam from day one." He spoke of Gage's "tremendous conceit and contempt of others, to take these precious children as objects for your sexual gratification ... the cruelty, the isolation, the exploitation of their disaffection from their family."

At which time, Tiktin read the sentence, which added up to 45 years behind the walls of prison. the judge established that Gage will always be under supervision as a "sexually dangerous offender."

If he lives that long, Gage could get out after 36 years with time off for good behavior, but even then he will be 79 years-old when he next breathes air as a free man.

If the owners are child molesters, how many staff are child molesters, too.  Obvioulsy programs don't do background checks and lots of child predators end up alone with your kids daily.

Sadly, these programs that keep kids in isolation from their families and the authorities are abreeding ground for pedophiles and provide the perfect opportunity for the predator's motives.

[Whooter]

Compared to Public schools these programs are a safe haven, though.

November 24, 2010


An Orange County woman who worked as a high school band teacher was convicted Wednesday of having sex with a student.

Carlie Attebury, 31, of Orange was found guilty on four counts stemming from her sexual relationship with a 15-year-old boy for nearly a year. Prosecutors alleged that Attebury befriended the student in 2007 while working at El Modena High School in Orange.

The two regularly met at Attebury’s home and exchanged sexually explicit text messages, prosecutors said.

Attebury came to the notice of police a few months later when she reported an extortion attempt by a former El Modena student who demanded $3,500 and sexually explicit photos to keep quiet about her  relationship with him.

Miguel Lopez, who was 23 at the time, was arrested and eventually pleaded guilty to one count of felony extortion. He was sentenced to three years' probation.

In 2008, parents contacted El Modena’s principal after they allegedly saw her caressing the 15-year-old’s hair at a school event. Attebury is scheduled to be sentenced in January.

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[Dysfunction Junction]

I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

I never saw any abuse either.  I attended parochial school.  I think what we are seeing is that many of these kids are approached by teachers and they are meeting after hours on school grounds and off school groounds.  Many of the parents both work outside the home and are not around to watch their kids.  The kids in programs are so busy 24/7 that a predator doesnt have as much opportunity to get a child alone as we are seeing in the public schools.



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The program owners themselves are molesting children.  This guy got charged with 167 counts of sexually abusing children at his program.

Gage sentenced to 45 years
By Eric Dolson
February 2, 2001

Steven Gage will probably spend the rest of his life in prison.

Gage, 43, the former proprietor of Royal Haven Equestrian Center for Girls near Sisters, was sentenced to 45 years behind bars on 27 counts of theft, criminal mistreatment and sex abuse of teenage girls under his care.

The sentence was handed down by Judge Stephen Tiktin on January 31, 2001. It followed the guidelines of a plea agreement between Gage and the Deschutes County District Attorney reached January 4.

Prior to sentencing, victim after victim of Gage's abuse, including girls who ranged in age from 14 to 18 at the time the sex abuse occurred, gave tearful testimony that he should received the maximum sentence allowed under the plea agreement.

 
"He took the trust we gave him and twisted it for his own sexual desire ... I was just a child, and so was every other girl he molested," said one young woman who accounted for nearly half of the original 146 counts of sex abuse that occurred.

While she spoke, Gage sat at the defense table, shrunken, having lost dozens of pounds while sitting in jail seven months waiting for his trial. His hair was thin and graying, his face hollow and white. His head shook slightly from side, either from a slight tremor or perhaps in denial of the atrocities described.

His head seemed to barely reach above the collar of an oversize denim jacket with the words "Deschutes County Jail" stenciled on the back. It made him seem even smaller.

"Look at him! Do you think that this man would ever be a part of any teenage girl's fantasies? It was disgusting!" said one of the coerced sexual activity with Gage.

"I don't know what shell of a human being does this to 13- or 15- or 17-year-old girls and thinks he can get away with it," said another. "He preyed on the souls of children for his own sense of confidence."


Parents told the judge of the nearly unbearable guilt they felt when they had discovered what Gage had done to their daughters.

"We were seeking desperately a safe harbor. Imagine the shock and horror and outrage when we learned that we had delivered her into the hands of an uncontrolled, manipulative, evil, sexual predator," said one father.

There was as much outrage over his methods of control, the way he isolated the girls, attempted to turn them against their parents and each other, how he lied and threatened and intimidated them.

The girls testified that their fear extended even to bucolic Sisters High School where, under a previous administration, Gage had conned his way in as a truant officer, offered the services of his supposedly trained drug-sniffing dogs. He had keys to the building, his partner Karen Lee was on the school board.

"We could not go to the school (authorities). We would look out the door of English class, expecting to see his face," cried one girl.

 
A Sisters teacher in the courtroom flinched as these words were spoken.

The girls told of how he gave favors of jewelry and privileges to his "special girls," the ones who did not or could not resist his sexual advances.

Only Gage's daughter testified in his defense. She could barely be understood through her tears as she spoke of how she could not stand to hear these accusations against "my dad," how her father had helped many of these girls, how he "did the best he could for everybody."

She felt his guilty plea was the act of a hero, the act of a man who's love of wife and children was proven by a willingness to sacrifice the rest of his life so that they would not have to suffer.


Another victim.

In determining the sentence, Judge Tiktin first spoke to assuage the guilt of parents and the girls.

As a man who has seen much of the worst, as a man who must be "always suspicious and even cynical," Judge Tiktin told them that "I myself could have been deceived by Mr. Gage ... (until yesterday), I think I failed to grasp the character and scope of his crimes.

" ... what happened is not your fault," the judge told parents and girls. He praised the courage of those girls who came forward.


Turning to Steven Gage, Judge Tiktin said that he believed Royal Haven "was a scam from day one." He spoke of Gage's "tremendous conceit and contempt of others, to take these precious children as objects for your sexual gratification ... the cruelty, the isolation, the exploitation of their disaffection from their family."

At which time, Tiktin read the sentence, which added up to 45 years behind the walls of prison. the judge established that Gage will always be under supervision as a "sexually dangerous offender."

If he lives that long, Gage could get out after 36 years with time off for good behavior, but even then he will be 79 years-old when he next breathes air as a free man.

If the owners are child molesters, how many staff are child molesters, too.  Obvioulsy programs don't do background checks and lots of child predators end up alone with your kids daily.

Sadly, these programs that keep kids in isolation from their families and the authorities are abreeding ground for pedophiles and provide the perfect opportunity for the predator's motives.

167 counts from just one facility.  Holy moly.  These programs are very dangerous for children.

[Whooter]

Another Public school abuse case

The Nye County Sheriff's Office says it arrested four faculty members at Floyd Elementary School accused of physically abusing students with mental and physical disabilities.

Authorities say 53-year-old principal Holly Lepisto, 52-year-old teacher Sarah Hopkins, 73-year-old aide Phyllis DuShane and 56-year-old aide Kathryn Cummings were arrested Tuesday. They're accused of five counts of child abuse and neglect and one count conspiracy to commit a crime.

The Las Vegas Sun reports that four children who were identified as victims had challenges that included visual impairment, cerebral palsy, speech challenges and hearing impairment.

The abuse allegedly occurred for at least two school years.

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