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Do Programs Lie?
Gonzotherapy:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Ridge Creek is not lying to parents when they indicate that their staff is trained.
You have not provided a link to support your case against them in regards to physical restraint training.
I dont think we can conclude the programs were lying or misleading the parents when they told them they had properly trained staff in these areas.
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Emergency Safety Interventions. Emergency safety interventions may be used only by staff trained in the proper
use of such interventions when a child exhibits a dangerous behavior reasonably expected to lead to immediate
physical harm to the child or othe
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure when an
emergency safety intervention (ESI) is utilized, staff is trained in the proper use of such
interventions in one of one file reviewed;
This is in the report on Ridge Creek for those who are hard of intelligence. And here's the link, again.
viewtopic.php?f=41&t=31560
Yes, no evidence other than this government report resulting in the closing of Ridge Creek.
psy:
--- Quote from: "seamus" ---FOREGONE FUCKING CONCLUSION :twofinger: WTF kinda question is that? DO POLITITIANS? LAWYERS? the Fuckface talking heads on CNN,or FOX? HOWs ABOUT USED CAR SALESMEN? fuck me runnin. :wall:
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This may be vulgar but it is not attacking anybody. It is on topic as well, addressing the primary topic, and as a bonus, happens to be fucking hilarious (pardon the french).
Seriously. Programs lied to me. I went to my program thinking it would be a simple boarding school. My parents had some issues with me over things which I did not feel were problems (not related to drugs or alcohol, btw). They wanted me to get some "therapy" for these things but I felt I was fine the way I was. I did not want to change (quite frankly would be detrimental to my mental health), and was fine with myself the way I was. The program lead me to believe explicitly that I would be allowed to progress through the program without such change. It was explicitly optional.
Later I find out, of course, that change is not optional in a program. Basically, of course, this means that the program itself misrepresented itself in order to make business. I was the victim of what I would consider a form of fraud. And I will say that Benchmark Young Adult School did that to me. First they told me I could pick my own issue. I picked quitting smoking, just because at the time it would be convenient. They ask me to write my life's story, they ask me to share in group. I think ... whatever. Turns out you don't progress until they think you're being your authentic self, or as they put it "real". So you try to pretend, but they know you're going to do that so they engineer failure. In some mystical way you then start to believe they can see inside you, see some true self that doesn't even exits (but they'll show you).
You are confronted by your peers and told you don't know who you are inside and everybody around you who you've grown to trust is telling you that they were in your place and they felt the exact same way... And you don't really have the time or energy to think or resist anymore. Or they'll throw you on the streets for a night in a violent area without any money, identification, map, clothing... nothing. And they intentionally select people who they know would have difficulty surviving in such an environment (in their marketing). A friend of mine got raped. By another program guy, i might mention. All the while the program is telling parents that they're doing the right thing (the parents authorize this punishment, as did mine). And you'll break eventually... You'll start believing what they're telling you. You start to thank them for violating your rights and bringing you to salvation. That's really the biggest thing the program lied about. It's dogma (especially the hidden seminar style stuff) is pure horse shit.
... and the parents sign on to a lot of it and trust the program blindly. They even have their own seminars. What kind of parent signs off on abandonment. They only reason why they do it is because the program tells them it's the only way to help their kids.
But so many other things they lied about. They said a lot of sand was for a volleyball court when in reality it's for punishment where you dig a hole and fill it up all day. They said I could keep my computer because I have a documented writing disability. They lied about that. They made me fill up notebooks as punishment for my attempts to hold them to their word. They were crooks. They took property from the "students". The "students" signed over their paychecks to the program willingly as they thought it was the god that was protecting them. The program became the one and only way to avoid death, insanity, or jail. They recruit from within. It's basically a cult.
They believe that the ends justify the means and they'll lie, they'll cheat. they'll perjure themselves, and if anybody on the program side of the argument wants to know why they're not moderators. That's why. We'll be fair with you as it's the right thing to do in order to bring genuine debate here, but we're not going to trust you. Ever. Your agenda historically has been to try and shut down open communication about this issue and those ends would justify playing just about any means.
We've experienced what you've done to us and we will not forget and a good portion of us will not forgive, including myself. Some people deserve no forgiveness, especially when they are unrepentant and continue to hurt others intentionally. <-- respond to this bit in another thread, please.
Gonzotherapy:
Wow, that is amazing. The incredibly similar tactics used at Benchmark, Dundee, and my experience in Paradise Cove. Benchmark has done an excellent job of covering up their abusive ways. It took me almost two full minutes to find an article accusing them of being a sham, exploiting troubled parents for every dime they can.
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_d ... ls/page/2/
And what the hell is it with these programs and sand? We used to have to fill up 100 lb. sand bags and move sand from one place to another. On a beach. At least we had 10 cent rubber flip-flops (at least some of the time) to protect our feet from shards of coral and lava rocks.
Whooter:
--- Quote ---Emergency Safety Interventions. Emergency safety interventions may be used only by staff trained in the proper
use of such interventions when a child exhibits a dangerous behavior reasonably expected to lead to immediate
physical harm to the child or othe
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure when an
emergency safety intervention (ESI) is utilized, staff is trained in the proper use of such
interventions in one of one file reviewed;
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I do believe that many of these schools lie about certain aspects of services they provide. But I don’t see how being written up for findings on an audit would be considered lying. If this were the bases for determining lying then every agency in United States would fall into this category and there would be no differentiating a program from any other school (Public or Private).
I guess if HLA advertised that they provided staff with ESI training and the training records were reviewed every 10 days for accuracy or that they passed every audit. Then I could see this constituting a lie. But the finding by the ORS did not indicate that RC does not train any of their personnel.
--- Quote ---Yes, no evidence other than this government report resulting in the closing of Ridge Creek.
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If you look at the report summary at the end you will see that they have given Ridge Creek time to respond and correct the issues that they found in their inspection. The school was not shut down for these findings. If schools were shut down for minor to midlevel inspection findings then there would be very few institutions open in the United States today.
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Troll Control:
"Do programs lie?" Hell yes, they do. It's part of their business model.
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