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Do Programs Lie?
Gonzotherapy:
http://www.heal-online.org/aspenachieve.htm
Here is an interesting link providing a look into the shady practices of Aspen Education
http://www.momlogic.com/2010/04/trouble ... harges.php
Here is a link accusing Aspen education of two deaths because of inadequately trained and ill equipped counselors. I would imagine that they did not disclose that to parents who are wanting to enroll their kids there.
http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.d ... ory=NEWS01
Another link exposing the shady practices of Aspen.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---A Heads-up to parents/Readers: Please check any links carefully that are presented by Gonzotherapy regarding alleged proof that programs lie.
Just to be fair to the people reading this thread you should all be aware that the poster, Gonzotherapy, has been posting here on fornits under several user names claiming to have attended programs(ANY PROOF OF THIS WHOOTER?). He has been caught in several lies[color=#000000](ANY PROOF OF THIS WHOOTER?). So I would be careful about any facts that he presents and check the links carefully on this thread.[/b][/color]
--- Quote from: "Whooter" --- I have told lies myself from time to time.
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This is classic program tactics, I spent a year in a program in Paradise Cove in 96-97. Program staff use tactics just like these to convince parents that kids are lying when they write home about the horribly abusive conditions. Parents are quick to discredit what their children tell them because of program staff manipulation. Only to find out later when programs are closed that their children were in fact telling the truth.
Here is another clear example of a program (since Whooter is known to have program ties and links have been provided) telling lies, notice the lack of any proof or links proving that I post under any other name, or have told any lies.
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568 Check this link to see who the real liar is.
There is a topic here Whooter, it is program lies, nice try on derailing the thread because you have been exposed :tup:
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Looks like Gonzo got your number, Whooter. Ha,Ha,Ha.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Gonzotherapy" ---http://www.heal-online.org/aspenachieve.htm
Here is an interesting link providing a look into the shady practices of Aspen Education
http://www.momlogic.com/2010/04/trouble ... harges.php
Here is a link accusing Aspen education of two deaths because of inadequately trained and ill equipped counselors. I would imagine that they did not disclose that to parents who are wanting to enroll their kids there.
http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.d ... ory=NEWS01
Another link exposing the shady practices of Aspen.
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I'd like to see those addressed too.
Gonzotherapy:
Here is a very good report, seems to be very objective. In particular I noticed the attention being drawn to the Aspen Education marketing ploys.
http://www.familylight.com/link3/3.03/3.031/aspen.html
It really makes me wonder, is there any chance that Dr. Phil was paid by Aspen Ed. for his recommendation?
This link has an interesting comment. It says here that one of the accreditations for an Aspen program is the Northwest Association for Accredited Schools -- Which is NOT recognized by the United States Department of Education.
http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/US/ ... nGroup.htm
This is the exact same tactic used by WWASPS, they created an accreditation for their school Browning Academy.
One of the biggest things I think parents who want to send their child away need to look at is LICENSES. Make sure that if a program is telling you about their licenses and accreditations that these are RECOGNIZED, not their personal accreditation that only certifies them to operate in never-never land.
:deal: DO YOUR HOMEWORK
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Gonzotherapy" ---Here is a link accusing Aspen education of two deaths because of inadequately trained and ill equipped counselors. I would imagine that they did not disclose that to parents who are wanting to enroll their kids there.
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I think that is a very good ethical question. Is it lying if you do not disclose deaths that occurred within the program to prospective parents? I am not convinced that it would be in all cases.
If the deaths were caused by something systemic to the schools process resulting in new children being placed in danger then withholding this information would be unethical and it would be lying to tell parents that their children would be safe there. If on the other hand the children's death would be unrelated to the safety of the new children then there is no need to bring it up to prospective parents.
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