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American History -
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Shadyacres" ---Witch burnings, persecution of homosexuals, persecution of jews, contributing to the population problem by prohibiting birth control, contributing to the general ignorance of mankind by perpetuating an outdated fairy tale. The list goes on and on, why do Christians always line up with the fascist element in our society? Who would Jesus persecute? Who would Jesus bomb?
Most of these things are history but they serve to illustrate how easy it is for unscrupulous people to twist the holy scripture of ANY religion to justify their own selfish agenda. Religions emerged as a way for mankind to explain the unexplainable, a hypothesis of sorts. Now that hypothesis has largely been proven wrong and we have invented science to take over where religion left off. Religions today are just a tool for con artists.
I also don't believe that the founding fathers saw all mankind as "inherently evil", but they may have seen "power" that way; power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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That's pretty much exactly what I've been trying (and apparently failing) to say.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---Well without getting too heavily engrossed in those documents, I guess we can surmise that since our FF (founding fathers) were of Christian faith it is only natural that the U.S. can be considered a Christian nation, in some respect? This does not seem like much of a stretch to me...pretty simple, really...
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Saying that we're not a Christian nation doesn't mean that the FF weren't Christians (although I believe most were deists). They realized the inherent dangers in basing a government on ANY religion.
--- Quote ---I think today's "left" likes to harp on the Crusades and any other ugly side of Christianity it can drag out of the closet in effort to denigrate it.
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When I bring it up it's to illustrate that ALL religions can be bastardized and horrible things done in their name.
--- Quote --- Jesus would puke if he saw how an originally good message was twisted and exploited over the years.
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Totally agreed. My opinion is that he was a hippy kind of guy who looked around him and wanted to make the world he was living in a little better. He would be flipping out at some of the things done in His name.
--- Quote ---That incident in Dearborn, MI is disturbing. All those Christians were doing was attempting to spread part of the New Testament to some Muslim folks, and they got run off for it. I didn't see any "pot-stirring" going on there...
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I sure did. It's also part of why I have a problem with religion at all. It just seems to breed mistrust, hate and an argument of "my god is better than your god" or "my god is the real god". Why did the Christians feel they needed to spread anything? Why couldn't they let people worship they way they wanted to instead of how the Christians think they should?
--- Quote --- it seems like the "left" (self-proclaimed Democrats) is biased against Christianity to say the least.
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I renounced my Dem status a few years ago, but my problem with it is what I just said above. Why can't they just let people be? Why do they push it on people? I'm perfectly content with my life and how I live it. I don't need the Bible to tell me what's moral and what's not and I do resent when the Jehovah Nitwits or some Christian group comes knocking on my door to "save" me.
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---I sure did. It's also part of why I have a problem with religion at all. It just seems to breed mistrust, hate and an argument of "my god is better than your god" or "my god is the real god". Why did the Christians feel they needed to spread anything? Why couldn't they let people worship they way they wanted to instead of how the Christians think they should?
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You consider handing out Bible quotes outside of the Muslim gathering to be 'stirring the pot'? So, I guess they shouldn't attempt to do this at all, then? They should be run off by the cops? I think you agree with me there, at least (that's what I'm really trying to get at, not so much whether or not they were stirring the pot...that's secondary to what I'm addressing here; I don't think they were, but w/e.) The fact that COPS were brought in to the situation is what's chapping my ass about this; it's fucking bullshit.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---I sure did. It's also part of why I have a problem with religion at all. It just seems to breed mistrust, hate and an argument of "my god is better than your god" or "my god is the real god". Why did the Christians feel they needed to spread anything? Why couldn't they let people worship they way they wanted to instead of how the Christians think they should?
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You consider handing out Bible quotes outside of the Muslim gathering to be 'stirring the pot'?
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Yup, I sure do.
--- Quote ---So, I guess they shouldn't attempt to do this at all, then?
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I question their motives.
--- Quote ---They should be run off by the cops? I think you agree with me there, at least (that's what I'm really trying to get at, not so much whether or not they were stirring the pot...that's secondary to what I'm addressing here; I don't think they were, but w/e.) The fact that COPS were brought in to the situation is what's chapping my ass about this; it's fucking bullshit.
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Yes, I agree with you on that part. I don't think they should have been run off by the cops. That being said, the intent may be secondary to you, but it's not to me. Why can't they just let people worship how they want, or not at all? I'm sick of people trying to "save" me, or anyone else for that matter. I had enough of it in Straight, I don't need it out in the real world.
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
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--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---I sure did. It's also part of why I have a problem with religion at all. It just seems to breed mistrust, hate and an argument of "my god is better than your god" or "my god is the real god". Why did the Christians feel they needed to spread anything? Why couldn't they let people worship they way they wanted to instead of how the Christians think they should?
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You consider handing out Bible quotes outside of the Muslim gathering to be 'stirring the pot'?
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Yup, I sure do.
--- Quote ---So, I guess they shouldn't attempt to do this at all, then?
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I question their motives.
--- Quote ---They should be run off by the cops? I think you agree with me there, at least (that's what I'm really trying to get at, not so much whether or not they were stirring the pot...that's secondary to what I'm addressing here; I don't think they were, but w/e.) The fact that COPS were brought in to the situation is what's chapping my ass about this; it's fucking bullshit.
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Yes, I agree with you on that part. I don't think they should have been run off by the cops. That being said, the intent may be secondary to you, but it's not to me. Why can't they just let people worship how they want, or not at all? I'm sick of people trying to "save" me, or anyone else for that matter. I had enough of it in Straight, I don't need it out in the real world.
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You hand out literature about the dangers of AA outside of AA meetings, or at least advocate this, is this not true? Nothing wrong with that, right? I don't think so, either. By the same token, is there anything wrong with what those Christians were doing on the street in Dearborn? Maybe they feel that Islam is violent and a bunch of shit, or maybe they just wanted to spread the Word... in any case, what they were doing isn't that different from that, is it?
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