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Froderik:

--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---Well without getting too heavily engrossed in those documents, I guess we can surmise that since our FF (founding fathers) were of Christian faith it is only natural that the U.S. can be considered a Christian nation, in some respect? This does not seem like much of a stretch to me...pretty simple, really...

I think today's "left" likes to harp on the Crusades and any other ugly side of Christianity it can drag out of the closet in effort to denigrate it. Exactly why they so readily play into this bullshit is what I'm still trying to figure out...Christianity was never intended to be any of those things by Jesus Christ. It is Christ's disciples, and the descendants and 'hangers-on' that mucked things up in the long run. Jesus would puke if he saw how an originally good message was twisted and exploited over the years.

That incident in Dearborn, MI is disturbing. All those Christians were doing was attempting to spread part of the New Testament to some Muslim folks, and they got run off for it. I didn't see any "pot-stirring" going on there... it seems like the "left" (self-proclaimed Democrats) is biased against Christianity to say the least.
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Anne Bonney:

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--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---Well without getting too heavily engrossed in those documents, I guess we can surmise that since our FF (founding fathers) were of Christian faith it is only natural that the U.S. can be considered a Christian nation, in some respect? This does not seem like much of a stretch to me...pretty simple, really...

I think today's "left" likes to harp on the Crusades and any other ugly side of Christianity it can drag out of the closet in effort to denigrate it. Exactly why they so readily play into this bullshit is what I'm still trying to figure out...Christianity was never intended to be any of those things by Jesus Christ. It is Christ's disciples, and the descendants and 'hangers-on' that mucked things up in the long run. Jesus would puke if he saw how an originally good message was twisted and exploited over the years.

That incident in Dearborn, MI is disturbing. All those Christians were doing was attempting to spread part of the New Testament to some Muslim folks, and they got run off for it. I didn't see any "pot-stirring" going on there... it seems like the "left" (self-proclaimed Democrats) is biased against Christianity to say the least.
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--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---Well without getting too heavily engrossed in those documents, I guess we can surmise that since our FF (founding fathers) were of Christian faith it is only natural that the U.S. can be considered a Christian nation, in some respect? This does not seem like much of a stretch to me...pretty simple, really...
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Saying that we're not a Christian nation doesn't mean that the FF weren't Christians (although I believe most were deists).  They realized the inherent dangers in basing a government on ANY religion.


--- Quote ---I think today's "left" likes to harp on the Crusades and any other ugly side of Christianity it can drag out of the closet in effort to denigrate it.
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When I bring it up it's to illustrate that ALL religions can be bastardized and horrible things done in their name.  


--- Quote --- Jesus would puke if he saw how an originally good message was twisted and exploited over the years.
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Totally agreed.  My opinion is that he was a hippy kind of guy who looked around him and wanted to make the world he was living in a little better. He would be flipping out at some of the things done in His name.


--- Quote ---That incident in Dearborn, MI is disturbing. All those Christians were doing was attempting to spread part of the New Testament to some Muslim folks, and they got run off for it. I didn't see any "pot-stirring" going on there...
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I sure did.  It's also part of why I have a problem with religion at all.  It just seems to breed mistrust, hate and an argument of "my god is better than your god"  or "my god is the real god".  Why did the Christians feel they needed to spread anything?  Why couldn't they let people worship they way they wanted to instead of how the Christians think they should?


--- Quote --- it seems like the "left" (self-proclaimed Democrats) is biased against Christianity to say the least.
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I renounced my Dem status a few years ago, but my problem with it is what I just said above.  Why can't they just let people be?  Why do they push it on people?  I'm perfectly content with my life and how I live it.  I don't need the Bible to tell me what's moral and what's not and I do resent when the Jehovah Nitwits or some Christian group comes knocking on my door to "save" me.
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