General Interest > Thought Reform
Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
Awake:
Huge disagreement with you there Whooter. Only its not just that the kid loses contact with their primary environment, they manipulate contact with their primary environment to manipulate the kid. Control over that communication and contact is a tool of coercion.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Awake" ---Huge disagreement with you there Whooter. Only its not just that the kid loses contact with their primary environment, they manipulate contact with their primary environment to manipulate the kid. Control over that communication and contact is a tool of coercion.
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I understand that you disagree with me, Samara, and that is okay considering your experience and perspective. I dont knock you for that. But once you open up the communication and allow kids to speak with their parents openly without any staff around and they are able to send out letters unscreened like we have seen in todays programs, and engage the surrounding community the chance of a successful thought reform or brainwashing falls away. There is no way to sustain enough control to be successful.
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Awake:
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--- Quote from: "Awake" ---Huge disagreement with you there Whooter. Only its not just that the kid loses contact with their primary environment, they manipulate contact with their primary environment to manipulate the kid. Control over that communication and contact is a tool of coercion.
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I understand that you disagree with me, Samara, and that is okay considering your experience and perspective. I dont knock you for that. But once you open up the communication and allow kids to speak with their parents openly without any staff around and they are able to send out letters unscreened like we have seen in todays programs, and engage the surrounding community the chance of a successful thought reform or brainwashing falls away. There is no way to sustain enough control to be successful.
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I’m sorry but I think you are opining. These programs have a history of intercepting interpersonal communication and manipulating communication between the child and their family and there is no proof it has changed. Your conjecture that i am Samara is also wrong.
Samara:
In practically every fora for every TBS from Fornit's inception onward there are posts about our calls being cut off and monitored. COMMON PRACTICE! This is an isolating tactic. Letters were also read and censored before they were mailed. Another common practice.
Awake:
That is definitely a good thing, Whooter, but neither is it a standard, and it has a history of that specific kind of manipulation. It also it does not excuse the fact that the teen is in a confined restricted environment in which the attitude they portray is the object of punishment or reform. And It is also traditional for the parents to go through training seminars that coach them on how to communicate with their child when they do. In this way the program can utilize the deep rapport that has developed between them and the motivation of the family dynamic. They are now separated and neither has truly informed consent as to the influences behind the communication of the other. From above
“the early commitment of training to the values of uncoerced choice, autonomy, and voluntary participation in democratic decision making is important to bear in mind. ….. If, however, it were established that training involved not free exchange, but a subtle process of influence WHICH ONLY RESEMBLES FREE EXCHANGE, then the influences of a training experience would indeed be dangerous, the more so for being difficult to detect.”
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