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Offline DannyB II

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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2010, 02:18:21 PM »
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.

Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.



 
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Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.

Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.

Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne. A rather large Corp. with tentacles that reach far and wide, this will take a entirely new tack on strategy.
This will take a new Senator in Washington, like Richard Bloomingthal from CT, this new gal from Delaware who used to believe in black magic, kind of corny but she could be impressed with this subject. Everyone keeps talking about H.R. 911, well come November there will be a bunch of new faces, start calling or writing.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2010, 02:19:12 PM »
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I still disagree with your opinion.  Sometimes we tend to read into things too much and get caught up in our own opinions. Lets go back and look at the original article we have been referencing:


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Here is a summary as seen by Aspen Education:

A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:

We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.

As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.

Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.




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OK, now we're getting somewhere.  You just reported the opinion of an Aspen principal, but them embellished it all sorts of ways without facts into "DHS admitted there was no abuse" (paraphrasing) when no such thing was ever written or stated.  

Thanks for admitting that all you posted before was factless and made up.  It's important not to let our financial ties cloud our vision on the facts.  Trying to mislead people doesn't help your agenda.  If your argument can't be proven with facts, it's best not to make things up like you were doing because you get exposed in about a nanosecond.

So, let's get this straight finally: DHS never said anything about "no abuse occurring" and in fact stood by their intial investigation.  Some charges were dropped (we don't know which ones, although you said they were "serious" without any evidence to support that) and some were modified, either to lower charges or higher charges, we don't know (although you misleadingly and falsely claimed they were serious charges that were reduced before).

The main problem I see with Fornits is that people like this poster tend to just make up their own "pro-program facts" about proven abusive facilities like MBA which has now been forced to close twice by authorities for abusing kids.  These few bad apples shouldn't be allowed to taint the barrel here with all of these unsubstantiated claims about programs to which they have financial ties.  It's dishonest and reflects badly on those posters.

At least we have cleaned up the misleading untruths from this poster's previous false claims about DHS for which s/he provided absolutely no facts and presented his/her fanciful opinion as "fact," but which was proven to be false by his/her own admission.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2010, 02:32:53 PM »
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.

Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.



 
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Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.

Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.

Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a (sic) old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne.

As was Straight.  In fact, the official name was Straight Incorporated.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2010, 02:39:20 PM »
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Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.

Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.



 
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Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.

Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.

Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a (sic) old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne.

As was Straight.  In fact, the official name was Straight Incorporated.

Com'on Anne, you know what I mean.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2010, 02:48:29 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
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Quote from: "DannyB II"
Com'on Dysfunction, they said this and they said that, bottom line the program will be back open soon.

Yep, probably.....just like Straight did under a different name to avoid the bad publicity.



 
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Now what are you doing about that.
What is the plan.

Exposing what they did under the former name, like we did with Straight.

Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhttttt. This is not a (sic) old man with a program called, "Straight". This is a Corporation, Anne.

As was Straight.  In fact, the official name was Straight Incorporated.

Com'on Anne, you know what I mean.

No, I don't.  There were many Straights in different states.   "Straight National" had their building on the same piece of property that the Florida Gandy building was.  Why do you think it's any different?  It's not like it was some tiny place that no one knew about.  Hell, Nancy Reagan and Princess Di visited us as a "model" for drug treatment.  Nancy twice.  Then Bush Sr. did a promo for it.  It's not like it was some insignificant thing.  The fucking president endorsed it.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpfVJZ5xRs4
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2010, 02:51:14 PM »
Doh....here's another one.  This one actually made me cringe seeing an Open Meeting.  And those fucking songs!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38rO2WmiLWY
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2010, 03:48:05 PM »
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A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:

We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.

As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.

Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.




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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2010, 08:38:40 AM »
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So, let's be clear for the record: MBA was found guilty of substantiated abuse and was closed by authorities for it. Then they sued the state and AEG and the state came to a settlement under which AEG would drop their lawsuit and the state would drop or modify some of the charges and the substantiated cases of abuse would remain on the record.

As has been previously stated, this particular facility has been closed down by authorities for abuse twice already.  It's a shame that the same child abusers would be allowed to open up again when they have been found guilty of abusing children twice already.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2010, 10:43:19 AM »
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A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:

We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.

As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.

Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.


What's your point?  That the president of Aspen Ed is defending himself and his money machine?
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2010, 10:48:27 AM »
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Quote from: "Whooter"
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A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:

We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.

As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.

Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.


What's your point?  That the president of Aspen Ed is defending himself and his money machine?

The point is the outcome of the investigation shows that the DHS has stepped down with its allegations against MBA.  Its a big step and I think the readers deserve to read it.  



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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2010, 11:56:43 AM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
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A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:

We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.

As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.

Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.


What's your point?  That the president of Aspen Ed is defending himself and his money machine?

The point is the outcome of the investigation shows that the DHS has stepped down with its allegations against MBA.  Its a big step and I think the readers deserve to read it.  



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This is the point you keep missing, Anne.  None of this information is public and the settlement is confidential, yet you-know-who has access to all of the details and is setting the record straight, as usual.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2010, 12:07:26 PM »
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This is the point you keep missing, Anne.  None of this information is public and the settlement is confidential, yet you-know-who has access to all of the details and is setting the record straight, as usual.

Then why does he keep telling us that he's just a program parent with no other affiliation to the TTI?
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2010, 12:21:37 PM »
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Probably because your a bunch of dumbasses.  What would be the point of giving you information you could use to damage his business or put his picture up on a porn site?  "Simple explanations for simple people" Anne.  He's helping kids get into programs and get the help they need.  That's all you need to know.


Or it could just be that he's a liar. He wouldn't have to name the actual name of the referral organization.  He just lies because he wants people to believe he's a simple program parent and isn't here to to damage control for his business.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2010, 12:24:27 PM »
Maxsukit’
Please, observe that you are posting on a forum where your rudeness, manipulative disruptions, lying and slander has been tolerated by people with sympathy to your kind of damage far greater than I can muster.
And take your *dumbass* remarks to the offa, please.
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Probably because your a bunch of dumbasses.  What would be the point of giving you information you could use to damage his business or put his picture up on a porn site?  "Simple explanations for simple people" Anne.  He's helping kids get into programs and get the help they need.  That's all you need to know.
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Re: Mount Bachelor could reopen
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2010, 12:27:51 PM »
OK, OK.  I was just pointing out, on topic by the way, that it's no mystery how Whooter gets the inside information all the time while the fornits exteremists wait like dogs at his table for scraps.  Have you seen the settlement?  Yeah, that's what I thought.  He knows what's in their.
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