All kids sent to programs are innocent, ask any fornits poster.
Innocent or not, they don't deserve to be abused and it certainly doesn't help them if they are 'troubled'. The fact is that the kid has no due process, so yes...a lot of "innocent" kids do end up in programs.
Just like prisons are full of innocent people, when you ask them why they are in jail. I was never abused in a program, and I was very troubled and needed the help. I also lied about the reasons why I was there, and acted like I had no idea, and I was the victim. That's was just a pity me act to manipulate people, though.
That doesn't address in any way what I said. Would you like to try again? Whether or not a kid is "innocent" has no bearing on their right to not be abused. If a kid does have "issues", placing them into an abusive program isn't going to help. Again, the fact is that a kid who's parents are considering sending them to one of the though-reform camps doesn't have any due process, so yes, many "innocent" kids do end up in abusive programs.
Well I can only speak for myself, I don't have the ability to channel other people's experiences and speak for them, as you seem adept at doing. If you are going by what other kids told you in the program, or even after it, I am simply making a point that I lied to everybody about the real reasons I was sent away, to make myself appear as the victim. If I'm being completely honest then I would have to explain all the bad things I did to end up in a program, and that might make programs look less bad, and I might appear that I actually needed or deserved a strict program. I was not innocent, and I had issues and I wasn't abused, that's my story. I'm kind of curious though, do you consider every single program abusive? I find it hard to believe every program in existence today is equivalent to the one you went to decades ago. Do you think all kids are abused in wilderness programs today? What about Benchmark, what do you find abusive about that adult facility?
