Look what stupid Ken Z. has done

[Anonymous]

Thank you for posting in the ElanAlum.com guestbook.

Your post will appear in the guestbook shortly. Because of recent spamming of this guestbook by someone who likely wasn't even at Elan we have had to change the guestbook system slightly.

All legitimate guestbook posts (regardless of the opinion expressed) will be appearing in the guestbook as soon as the Webmaster has a chance to view it. This will be within a few minutes to a day or so (depending on when the webmaster is able to do so).

Please do not make your post again. It will be moved to the guestbook shortly. In the meantime all posts are now being saved in a holding area pending review. I am sorry for the any inconvenience this may cause. I care too much for this community to let it degenerate into a depository for vicious, slanderous, mean or demeaning attacks on any individual..

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Ken Zaretzky
Graduate-Elan One (1974)
Webmaster - ElanAlum.com

This idiot wants to review all guestbook entries before the public can see it.Thanks to me.Well Ken I can still copy your site and get into it and bypass all your lame security codes, ha ha ha

[Nazi]

Oh poor wittle Ken, someone spammed his guestbook.Ken will feel the heat once the fire gets going, Ken played a big role in the abuse that went on up at Elan from what I hear.
ken's site is pro elan, he doesnt like to admit it but it is.He opposes all that speak babdly about the staff up there.
This mother fucker is in co-hoots with all the staff presently, don't let his nice guy image fool you...

[Antigen]

On 2003-09-30 14:32:00, nazi wrote:

ken's site is pro elan, he doesnt like to admit it but it is.

Honestly, I don't think he really knows or understands that it is. The whole Synanon concept is based on real live, honest to god brainwashing. It's really a very effective method. Not the least bit therapeutic, mind you. But very, very effective in some cases.

What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?  
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[Nazi]

Art who are you talking too?

[Nazi]

On 2003-09-30 17:12:00, artman11111 wrote:

"as much as i dont agree with Ken on many issues,Your a fucking idiot not him.

you cant communicate effectively so you vandalize another site ... your the big pussy.. wont even show your name ....another victim of "penis envy"

go ahead and spout your gaping gash of a hole about shit you clearly know nothing about ... what's the matter ? cant compete in life   or in a simple dialogue so you can deface and destroy



you are a complete waste of human skin "

Artman ever think of yourself coming to our site and defacing it?This site is a no holds barred site and we say what we want here.As far as someone defacing Kens site, well Ken played a big role in the abuse that went on up there, Ken is very quiet about what he has done in the past when he worked there.You are the one that doesn't know half the shit that went on at elan up there.

Run soem searched on a search engine about ken, I'm sure you will find some dirt on him.

[Antigen]

Artman, when you say 'deface', are you saying Nazi hacked the site and changed it somehow? Or just that he posted entries that Ken doesn't like?

I think Ken's living an illusion that he can have a site based on input from a lot of different people and also have it say only what he wants said. If he decides to take it down, as he's always been threatening to do, that's his choice. No one can make him do it.

As for moles reporting back to the abusers, who cares? This is all publicly posted info. If the Program people want to read it, they can. As a matter of fact, we know that they sometimes do. Otherwise, we wouldn't be getting letters of demand citing specific urls and demanding that we censor certain material.

If you want to have a private conversation with someone or a few people and you don't want it getting back to Elan, then use private email or ask me and I'll set up a private forum if you need it. And don't invite Ken. I wouldn't trust him with confidential info either.

But, at the bottom of it, the Fornits forums are all about letting anyone say whatever they want to say so that the truth can come out. The Programs depend on keeping secrets to protect their interests. We don't have that burdon on this side of the issue.

Scoundrels are predictable, but you're a man of honor and that frightens me.
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[Nazi]

Yes Ken delete's anything that is said bad about elan.He is pro elan all the way.I have posted some content there that exposes the truth about elan, and it wasnt even nasty and he still deleted it.Ken doesnt want the truth expose at his stupid site, Ken wants elan to be what he pretends it to be at his site.

Kens makes up his own history about elan at his website the way he would like it to be, in other words Ken's webpage is nothing but a fanatsy.

[Paul St. John]

If Ken is actually a supporter of Elan, the he exists in an adversarial position to freedom in the first place.

I am a fan of property rights, myself.  Ken or anybody else, as far as I am concerned has the right to delete whatever the fuck they wnat off their site, and we have the right to judge Ken or whoever the fuck we want as well.


Freedom is a two- way road..

and NO, Nazi's freedom is not EVER at the discretion of Ken, when he is sitting on his couch, walking down the street, or even posting at Ken's site.


A person's freedom is never rightfully at any other person s discretion.

But ken is of course free to delete whatever the fuck he wants, and so long as the property owners, here allow, it, we can post whatever the fuck we want about him.


Freedom of mind and opinion is firts and primary.. It is an inalienable freedom, and it is also the freedom that schools such as Elan attempt to trick into thinking that you do not have.


Many brilliant minds throughout time, have said things along the lines of " You are what you think" or " Our thoughts create our lives"

When someone attempts to restrict the free flwo of your thoughts, or deceive into accepting their belifes as your own, they affect your life, your future, and your very state of being, and stongly limit the freedomw of all three..


I know I got off topic, there... just couldn t help myself. LOL!




Paul St. John

[Anonymous]

This site is really bugging me now.  You are going after Ken because he deleted some posts.  If you read very carefully about what he states when signing the guestbook about personal attacks than you would understand why your petty stabs at people were deleted.  I don't know Ken, but I'm pretty sure if you posted something in the guestbook about how you feel you got nothing productive out of Elan and left out your petty stabs, he'd put it in the guest book.  I assume the reason he deletes such statements is so his site can be a way for old friends to re-connect or talk about a very unique experience we all share, whereas the webmaster at this site allows very petty and vindictive posts, so nothing productive gets done.  All people do here is rant, vent, and bitch about people they don't know anymore, hmmm seems real productive to me.

[Paul St. John]

On 2003-10-02 00:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This site is really bugging me now.  You are going after Ken because he deleted some posts.  If you read very carefully about what he states when signing the guestbook about personal attacks than you would understand why your petty stabs at people were deleted.  I don't know Ken, but I'm pretty sure if you posted something in the guestbook about how you feel you got nothing productive out of Elan and left out your petty stabs, he'd put it in the guest book.  I assume the reason he deletes such statements is so his site can be a way for old friends to re-connect or talk about a very unique experience we all share, whereas the webmaster at this site allows very petty and vindictive posts, so nothing productive gets done.  All people do here is rant, vent, and bitch about people they don't know anymore, hmmm seems real productive to me."

Listen to me dipstick.. You don t knwo what the word productive word.  You are hard-wired to thin it means " at the expense of the self"

Your words are useless to me.  

You speak another language.  

Go short0circuit somewhere, will ya?

Ken's a big boy.. he can take care of himself.

You don't like that we can post whatever we want here, robo-boy?

Well, that's what the real world is like, ain't it?

You turn on your TV, you may see shit you don't like, but it ain't up to you.. You can always tunr the TF off..

Is any of this getting past your programming?

Paul St. John

[Paul St. John]

BTW, I posted my message for Ken in three other locations....

Here's one of them..



FUCK ELAN SCHOOL


My Best,
Paul St. John

[Antigen]

On 2003-10-02 00:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This site is really bugging me now.

Wonder why? It's not like it jumps onto your monitor all by itself. Usually, if something bugs me, I either swat it or avoid it altogether.

I don't know Ken, but I'm pretty sure if you posted something in the guestbook about how you feel you got nothing productive out of Elan and left out your petty stabs, he'd put it in the guest book.  I assume the reason he deletes such statements is so his site can be a way for old friends to re-connect or talk about a very unique experience we all share, whereas the webmaster at this site allows very petty and vindictive posts, so nothing productive gets done.  All people do here is rant, vent, and bitch about people they don't know anymore, hmmm seems real productive to me."

Funny, As far as I know, no one around here deletes any content related to Elan. If you had a wonderful experience there, you can post about it and no one would delete it. Seems the only way to get a forum favorable to Elan is to carefully screen all of the content. That's why the Synanon based programs are going down. It takes so much time and energy to block out the truth, nothing at all to let it loose.  :wave:

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