What if AA is mainstream and Fornits is the cult?

[Maximilian]

(1) I take it that you are scared to be honest with your sponsor and the intergroup as you are in fear of what they may say to you.
2) Yes you do need permission if you are in fact a member of said fellowship. Denial of this would lead me to believe you have never studied your fellowships traditions

Whatever you say. You can report me to the AA elders if you wish, hopefully they will not burn me at the stake like the last person who made the mistake of discussing AA without he permission of the elders.

(3) I Have seen AA and NA meeting list on cars at bars before... So don't give me that...

Yet, I'm not the one doing it. If people want to get drunk, I could care less. If people want to go to AA and get sober, great, But I'm not going to spend my money and time trying to convince people with flyers on cars. I live and let live, unlike you.

[Maximilian]

But what if I did spend my free time passing out AA flyers out at bars on their windshields out in the parking lot? What would people here say about me?

Nothing....it happens all the time.

I think people would call me a cult freak, and bring it up all the time in example of how crazy I was. But let's think about it logically, have more people been killed by AA, or by drivers going home drunk from a bar? So which action, is more likely to result in the real world result of saving a person's life? I've seen the result of drunk driving accidents and people dying from it, so anything that prevents that is a good thing in my opinion. Even better than AA schedules would be the number for a taxi company or one of those volunteer sober drivers (a great use of somebody's time I think).

[Botched Programming]

(1) I take it that you are scared to be honest with your sponsor and the intergroup as you are in fear of what they may say to you.
2) Yes you do need permission if you are in fact a member of said fellowship. Denial of this would lead me to believe you have never studied your fellowships traditions

Whatever you say. You can report me to the AA elders if you wish, hopefully they will not burn me at the stake like the last person who made the mistake of discussing AA without he permission of the elders.

(3) I Have seen AA and NA meeting list on cars at bars before... So don't give me that...

Yet, I'm not the one doing it. If people want to get drunk, I could care less. If people want to go to AA and get sober, great, But I'm not going to spend my money and time trying to convince people with flyers on cars. I live and let live, unlike you.

Sorry Max that you do not respect your fellowship enough to abide by their "Traditions"

Tradition defined

a continuing pattern of culture beliefs or practices.

I unlike you allow people to make their own decision about what they read in my fliers.. I do not stand there and try to push my belifs on them or try to persuade them to my way of thinking.. They have free will... They are not powerless.

[Botched Programming]

But what if I did spend my free time passing out AA flyers out at bars on their windshields out in the parking lot? What would people here say about me?

Nothing....it happens all the time.

I think people would call me a cult freak, and bring it up all the time in example of how crazy I was. But let's think about it logically, have more people been killed by AA, or by drivers going home drunk from a bar? So which action, is more likely to result in the real world result of saving a person's life? I've seen the result of drunk driving accidents and people dying from it, so anything that prevents that is a good thing in my opinion. Even better than AA schedules would be the number for a taxi company or one of those volunteer sober drivers (a great use of somebody's time I think).

There is no data showing how many sponsors have told their sponsees to quit taking meds and the sponsee ened up in the hospital or psyc ward somewhere.

[Maximilian]

(1) I take it that you are scared to be honest with your sponsor and the intergroup as you are in fear of what they may say to you.
2) Yes you do need permission if you are in fact a member of said fellowship. Denial of this would lead me to believe you have never studied your fellowships traditions

Whatever you say. You can report me to the AA elders if you wish, hopefully they will not burn me at the stake like the last person who made the mistake of discussing AA without he permission of the elders.

(3) I Have seen AA and NA meeting list on cars at bars before... So don't give me that...

Yet, I'm not the one doing it. If people want to get drunk, I could care less. If people want to go to AA and get sober, great, But I'm not going to spend my money and time trying to convince people with flyers on cars. I live and let live, unlike you.

Sorry Max that you do not respect your fellowship enough to abide by their "Traditions"

Tradition defined

a continuing pattern of culture beliefs or practices.

I unlike you allow people to make their own decision about what they read in my fliers.. I do not stand there and try to push my belifs on them or try to persuade them to my way of thinking.. They have free will... They are not powerless.

Sure thing. But I'm not the one out there passing out flyers on cars on my free time and on my own dime, think about that. Please don't contact the AA elders and have me excommunicated though, please? That last person who dared discuss AA online was sentenced to burn at the stake, and I don't want my young children to witness that.

[Maximilian]

There is no data showing how many sponsors have told their sponsees to quit taking meds and the sponsee ened up in the hospital or psyc ward somewhere.

The thing is I don't assume everybody is stupid. People know best what works for them, and they are free to choose whether they want to participate in AA or psychiatry, or whatever they think helps them. Plenty of people try AA and walk out and think it doesn't work, good for them. But there are also millions of people who keep showing up because it works for them. If people want to stop taking their meds, that's their choice. The point of this thread is simply that many more people believe in AA and it's ideology than the extremist anti treatment ideology of those who post on fornits.

[Botched Programming]

(1) I take it that you are scared to be honest with your sponsor and the intergroup as you are in fear of what they may say to you.
2) Yes you do need permission if you are in fact a member of said fellowship. Denial of this would lead me to believe you have never studied your fellowships traditions

Whatever you say. You can report me to the AA elders if you wish, hopefully they will not burn me at the stake like the last person who made the mistake of discussing AA without he permission of the elders.

(3) I Have seen AA and NA meeting list on cars at bars before... So don't give me that...

Yet, I'm not the one doing it. If people want to get drunk, I could care less. If people want to go to AA and get sober, great, But I'm not going to spend my money and time trying to convince people with flyers on cars. I live and let live, unlike you.

Sorry Max that you do not respect your fellowship enough to abide by their "Traditions"

Tradition defined

a continuing pattern of culture beliefs or practices.

I unlike you allow people to make their own decision about what they read in my fliers.. I do not stand there and try to push my belifs on them or try to persuade them to my way of thinking.. They have free will... They are not powerless.

Sure thing. But I'm not the one out there passing out flyers on cars on my free time and on my own dime, think about that. Please don't contact the AA elders and have me excommunicated though, please? That last person who dared discuss AA online was sentenced to burn at the stake, and I don't want my young children to witness that.

I feel sorry for you Max.. how much time have you got... How much of your time have you dedicated out to sponsees..How many of the newcomers have you fed on your own dime to make them feel a part of..No worse than the money and time I have spent on fliers.

As far as your childish comments about informing the elders, you know it is your own conscious that you have to live with on that so quit being rediculious.. If you are as big into AA as you claim you would have no objection to brining this matter up to your sponsor...I know I was big enough of a man to...

[Maximilian]

I feel sorry for you Max.. how much time have you got... How much of your time have you dedicated out to sponsees..How many of the newcomers have you fed on your own dime to make them feel a part of..No worse than the money and time I have spent on fliers.

As far as your childish comments about informing the elders, you know it is your own conscious that you have to live with on that so quit being rediculious.. If you are as big into AA as you claim you would have no objection to brining this matter up to your sponsor...I know I was big enough of a man to...

At this point you have moved beyond making a logical argument, and into the realm of manipulation and assumptions, so there is nothing left to discuss it seems. I appreciate your pity, I really do. I live with myself quite contently, and have a clear conscience and sleep very well at night. I don't feel like I'm being ridiculous, and your attempt of emasculation with the last sentence is a typical manipulation when someone is lacking a legitimate argument. "If only you were a real man, you'd do this", how many times does this or a variant of this get put on the internet? There is no shortage of internet tough guys out there, that's for sure. I'll be here if you have an argument to make, or you can just keep making assumptions about me and what I need to do. It doesn't really bother me either way. People know when they are ready to have a mature and adult conversation minus the emotional hyperbole they can come to me.

[Botched Programming]

At this point you have moved beyond making a logical argument, and into the realm of manipulation and assumptions, so there is nothing left to discuss it seems. I appreciate your pity, I really do. I live with myself quite contently, and have a clear conscience and sleep very well at night. I don't feel like I'm being ridiculous, and your attempt of emasculation with the last sentence is a typical manipulation when someone is lacking a legitimate argument. "If only you were a real man, you'd do this", how many times does this or a variant of this get put on the internet? There is no shortage of internet tough guys out there, that's for sure. I'll be here if you have an argument to make, or you can just keep making assumptions about me and what I need to do. It doesn't really bother me either way. People know when they are ready to have a mature and adult conversation minus the emotional hyperbole they can come to me.

Have a mature and adult conversation minus the emotional hyperbole with your sponsor about you bringing AA into public contraversy on an internet forum and then you can come back to me.

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Maximilian]

Have a mature and adult conversation minus the emotional hyperbole with your sponsor about you bringing AA into public contraversy on an internet forum and then you can come back to me.

Well I just got off the phone with my sponsor. He told me that when he came out of his weekend meeting a couple days ago that he found a flyer on his windshield which told him the truth about AA, and he told me he is no longer going to go to AA and I shouldn't either. He said he is going to back to being an alcoholic and see how that works for him. Guess I'll have to find a new sponsor now.

[Botched Programming]

Have a mature and adult conversation minus the emotional hyperbole with your sponsor about you bringing AA into public contraversy on an internet forum and then you can come back to me.

Well I just got off the phone with my sponsor. He told me that when he came out of his weekend meeting a couple days ago that he found a flyer on his windshield which told him the truth about AA, and he told me he is no longer going to go to AA and I shouldn't either. He said he is going to back to being an alcoholic and see how that works for him. Guess I'll have to find a new sponsor now.

Grow up !!!!.... Would really love to see your sponsor's reaction if he read your posts...

Peace
 :peace:

[Botched Programming]

At this point I recommend that all the AA threads be sent to the drama box so that will be a good place for AA discussions.

Peace
 :peace:

[Eliscu2]

:poison:

[Maximilian]

Just to be clear, I'd like this thread to remain in the open free for all. Thanks.